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  • Lily uploaded a 90 min video titled ‘Steven Universe is Garbage and here’s why’ and she goes into invalid and baseless detail about the show and sounds like she just Ad_hominem. And I want those who watched the video through the end to help me pick out all the flaw of the videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flLEr_sYC-k (swear warning). ill give mines first

    (Note: this is in no way mean to attacked lily orchard, it just to point out how awful of an argument she made in her video. Be warned, some viewers may find this video insulting/offensive, otherwise take it with a grain of salt.)

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    • 1.The portrayal of her facts: she uses fact and clips from the episodes or other source material. But when she used them, it’s only to further her own claims about the shows that aren’t right or just opinion. The evidence she used is invalid and it looks misinterpreted them on purpose. This just showed she didn’t do her researched on the show or don’t understand it at all. Example she stated that most of the shows plot points and twists are just the staff steal theories from fans and that Rebecca should have remove the gem from the artbook because of how offence it was. I question if she know how foreshadowing or animation works. First off, An ARTBOOK is a book that contains strapped idea and concepts that didn’t made it to the finally draft. The reason creators public them is to so their fans what the source material was like during production. The gem wasn’t even made by Rebecca and they were SMART enough to remove her. As for the plots and twists. There’s this thing called misdirection and subtle hints. They’re actually trying to trick you into think rose shatter pink when it reality it was staged and it made the twist all the worth fun and satisfying when you get it wrong or right. I know this show has long histats(and its irritating) but making an episode for a show takes 6 months-1 year before it got public, if you want to blame someone for that blame the network not the staff(yeah will get to that)

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    • 3. Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz: lily gave a 45 minute rant on how horrible of a character pink diamond is after ‘A Single Pale Rose’. How rose and pearl relation is a servant/master thing, how she’s just a spoil brat trying to escape her responsible, etc. which does further the evidence that she does pay attention to the show because look back at the episodes after and before ‘A Single Pale Rose’ you see that will she made bad decisions, she does have good traits; she friendly even to gems who serve her, she’s playful, she’s opisitums, loves nature and have her goofy moments. Those traits do follow up on her ego as rose quartz. Just because they look different doesn’t mean they act different. In her diamond days (pun no intended) she is portrayed as a child, being looked down on and only does as she’s told but even her her times before and after the war and becoming rose quartz she grows a little bit. I mean come on, the Diamond was fascinated by the way humans changed (Greg the babysitting) and she does regret a lot thing as stated by Greg in ‘Steven’s Dream’ (the war, corrupted gems, etc.). Yet she lacks empathy, so what that doesn’t mean she bad, even good people can’t understand empathy (looking at you lily). There is much we know able Pink’s past as we know of rose, but the shows is yet to be over and the more we watched the show the more we learn about rose how she’s more than what we’re told. And who knows in the next few episodes might get some more insight on her.

      4.The message of the show: it’s no secret by now that lily gets thing wrong (and that from someone who takes pride in being a professional critic), she even got the message the show was trying to send wrong. The show isn’t able ‘war, genocide, abuse’ or whatever she thinks. It’s not able ‘forgive and forget’ the bad things that happen to the characters, it able forgiving and being able to move on from it. I know it can be hard to forgive yourself from what happened, but that why you need to try and find support and closure. If you don’t, you’ll become so deep on the ground that you can’t get out and that’s not healthy. A lot of event happened in the show, war, death, both the characters are learning to move past it and make decisions and lives for themselves. The crystal gems are there but the diamond have a long way to go for that.


      5.Rebecca Sugar and the crewniverse: and this is one of the BIGGEST flaws in the video: her attacking the creators. In every area she calls sugar a creep, a fascist sympathizer, etc. just because of the way she write her show. Even if she write the story with sympatric dictators and all doesn’t mean she’s like that in realistic. Cause unlike those in realistic, we see our villains lives and what they’re like behind closed doors. Now I know what you’re gonna say. She said in her conclusion that she doesn’t think that, but if that the case then why she didn’t editor the whole section out of the final process(she is a professional as she claims to be) she even calls her an idiot and a fasicatic in her earlier ask on her tumblr(either she forgot or a hypocrite). It not fair to insult a person, especially since there are people who follow you who will believe what you say and/or harass her. (Don’t believe they will just look at Mr. Enter). She’s not a idiot for writing the way it is, there no implication that it’s the case. She just making three- dimensional villain like everyone is. I know this redemption might feel rushed, but the writing and creators are trying their hardest to make them good. There’s no such thing as perfection in creation.

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    • 2.Redemptions: Now if you followed her on YouTube or any of her sites or learn anything about her. You would already know how she feels about redemption with villains, Especially with Starlight Glimmer. And she rates about it here in one of the sections, mostly when it comes to the Diamonds. Now I know their typical Tyrannies and Dictators (the show even states this), but they’re a lot more to them than what they do. THEY HAVE A PERSONILTY, MOTIVIES AND FEELINGS THAN JUST EVIL AND DESTRUTIVE. Villains have depth just like the heroes or other characters. If steven universe was made around late 70s or early 90s, they won’t have been one dimensional evil villain that deserve to be shattered but we’re in the 2010s where in can be possible to convince even the worst person the error of their ways and help them improve for the future. The reason the ‘Fun, Saturday cartoon’ villains like jasper and aquamarine aren’t redeemed because they chose not to listen and remind the way they right.

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    • And about they being redeemed, it clear by now that the Diamonds are anything but redeemed at this point. Every gem is clearly uncomfortable around the diamonds and despite calling them family in ‘Reunion’ steven still hold them accountable for everything. The shows isn’t even over yet, they still have a long way to go, the diamond still act the still from when Pink were alive.

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    • Do not pay that woman any attention, she does not deserve any attention...

      Before you ask, no it has nothing to do with her video on Steven Universe. She tends to send people to harass another youtuber and is a pretty big jerk overall.

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    • And keep in mind Lily Orchard,if steven never find his way out of the fight. EVERYONE WOULD BE DEAD,and youll probubly be happy with tat right?

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    • I agree with most of her video, though I do believe that she's too angry and shouldn't have attacked Rebecca so directly. It's not that Rebecca is a bad person, it's just that she's ignorant.

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    • Sharayna wrote:
      I agree with most of her video, though I do believe that she's too angry and shouldn't have attacked Rebecca so directly. It's not that Rebecca is a bad person, it's just that she's ignorant.

      yeah i does make her come off as an angry 13 year who dont know better. but if you know her history, youll know she cant take cristism or other opinions

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    • I saw that a month ago. Lily is a jerk. Let her do her and don’t pay her any attention. She is just a jerk youtuber

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    • Lilly sucks for insulting Steven Universe, but if she ever insults OKKO, then she is dead,

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    • Thanosgem wrote:
      I saw that a month ago. Lily is a jerk. Let her do her and don’t pay her any attention. She is just a jerk youtuber

      exactly

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    • Angelgreat wrote:
      Lilly sucks for insulting Steven Universe, but if she ever insults OKKO, then she is dead,

      she hasnt made any review on that yet

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    • Please keep attacks out of this thread.

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    • come on the personal attacks were what made it interesting

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    • Beats you up

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    • Now that's insulting to say.

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    • A FANDOM user
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