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  • So, remember that everyone a week ago was like "OMG PEARL COVERS HER MOUTH, WHAT SHE WANTS TO SAY? OMG"

    And that most people say "she wants to say "i belong to WD" or "i shattered PD""

    So! what if the first one is true but the second one is the one she can't say?

    Well! Think about this:

    What if PD was shattered by Pearl (by accident, the one trying it was Rose) but when her gem was cracking PD just accepted her fate?

    What if PD was the one who silenced Pearl (and Rose)?

    And what if it was to protect her?

    What if WD could do something worst than corruption, shattering or even clustering to her former Pearl?

    The "theory" has a big hole because, why Rose didn't had that worst fate and else?

    But, what do you guys think?

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    • Interesting, it makes up a bit of sense, but I honestly think RS will end up surprising everyone with the real guilty, and maybe it's someone we never suspect. Pearl's best way to talk would be if Garnet applied a Full Nelson and managed to block her hands, but it's a interesting theory

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    • The countries with weird censorship laws.

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    • Iudexkoo wrote:
      The countries with weird censorship laws.
      Epic lulz

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    • Jolmev wrote:
      Iudexkoo wrote:
      The countries with weird censorship laws.
      Epic lulz



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    • I think Pearl has gone through some kind of conditioning which is standard for all Pearls belonging to Diamonds.  It dosn't make sense for this to have been applied after PD is shattered, if soneone powerfull wanted to hide evidence they would have just shattered Pearl too.  The nature of this conditioning is just a blanket silencing of all information about the Diamond/s.  I belive Pearl originaly belonged to White Diamond but was transfered/given to Pink Diamonds court at some point, and then was actually assigned to Rose or adpoted by her after being discarded.

      Note that this Pearl conditioning is not done for all Pearls, its used only for ones intended for Diamond use, so Morganite is not effected and can talk about her owner Emerald.  Conditioned Pearls are essentially the elite 'fancy' ones.

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    • ImpalerWrG wrote:
      I think Pearl has gone through some kind of conditioning which is standard for all Pearls belonging to Diamonds.  It dosn't make sense for this to have been applied after PD is shattered, if soneone powerfull wanted to hide evidence they would have just shattered Pearl too.  The nature of this conditioning is just a blanket silencing of all information about the Diamond/s.  I belive Pearl originaly belonged to White Diamond but was transfered/given to Pink Diamonds court at some point, and then was actually assigned to Rose or adpoted by her after being discarded.

      Note that this Pearl conditioning is not done for all Pearls, its used only for ones intended for Diamond use, so Morganite is not effected and can talk about her owner Emerald.  Conditioned Pearls are essentially the elite 'fancy' ones.

      Not after being shattered, while her gem is cracking

      In a human parallel, PD got a sword through her heart, and (in this mini-theory) while she bleeds, she silence Pearl

      But hey, that was just an idea i suddenly got, you have a really good point there

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    • ImpalerWrG wrote:
      I think Pearl has gone through some kind of conditioning which is standard for all Pearls belonging to Diamonds.  It dosn't make sense for this to have been applied after PD is shattered, if soneone powerfull wanted to hide evidence they would have just shattered Pearl too.  The nature of this conditioning is just a blanket silencing of all information about the Diamond/s.  I belive Pearl originaly belonged to White Diamond but was transfered/given to Pink Diamonds court at some point, and then was actually assigned to Rose or adpoted by her after being discarded.

      Note that this Pearl conditioning is not done for all Pearls, its used only for ones intended for Diamond use, so Morganite is not effected and can talk about her owner Emerald.  Conditioned Pearls are essentially the elite 'fancy' ones.

      Which Morganite and Emerald are you referring to?

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    • Femslash-addict wrote:
      ImpalerWrG wrote:
      I think Pearl has gone through some kind of conditioning which is standard for all Pearls belonging to Diamonds.  It dosn't make sense for this to have been applied after PD is shattered, if soneone powerfull wanted to hide evidence they would have just shattered Pearl too.  The nature of this conditioning is just a blanket silencing of all information about the Diamond/s.  I belive Pearl originaly belonged to White Diamond but was transfered/given to Pink Diamonds court at some point, and then was actually assigned to Rose or adpoted by her after being discarded.

      Note that this Pearl conditioning is not done for all Pearls, its used only for ones intended for Diamond use, so Morganite is not effected and can talk about her owner Emerald.  Conditioned Pearls are essentially the elite 'fancy' ones.

      Which Morganite and Emerald are you referring to?

      oh yeah, that part was kinda weird

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    • Sorry I ment Rodinite (the ruby/pearl fusion) can freely talk about Morganite.  So that Pearl seems to not be conditioned in the same way as our Pearl.

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    • ImpalerWrG wrote:
      Sorry I ment Rodinite (the ruby/pearl fusion) can freely talk about Morganite.  So that Pearl seems to not be conditioned in the same way as our Pearl.

      Ok, I understand. 

      Would that mean both Pink and White Diamond silenced her about revealing about themselves (respectively), or would it have just been Pink Diamond?  Also, do you suppose our Pearl's replacement was strictly a PD creation, if she was replaced?  Would silencing apply only to the respective DIamonds, or all Diamonds?  I'm assuming you meant the former, but I'm still not sure how we'll get a White Diamond reveal without another Gem coming along or being cured of corruption.  I wonder if we can even receive confirmation in canon that this is the case, since mind control is one of those omnipotent abilities that transcends proof.

      I don't mean to put you on the spot, I'm just trying to foster discussion on the matter.

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    • Femslash-addict wrote:
      ImpalerWrG wrote:
      Sorry I ment Rodinite (the ruby/pearl fusion) can freely talk about Morganite.  So that Pearl seems to not be conditioned in the same way as our Pearl.
      Ok, I understand. 

      Would that mean both Pink and White Diamond silenced her about revealing about themselves (respectively), or would it have just been Pink Diamond?  Also, do you suppose our Pearl's replacement was strictly a PD creation, if she was replaced?  Would silencing apply only to the respective DIamonds, or all Diamonds?  I'm assuming you meant the former, but I'm still not sure how we'll get a White Diamond reveal without another Gem coming along or being cured of corruption.  I wonder if we can even receive confirmation in canon that this is the case, since mind control is one of those omnipotent abilities that transcends proof.

      I don't mean to put you on the spot, I'm just trying to foster discussion on the matter.

      The message is for ImpalerWrG, right?

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    • Jolmev wrote:

      The message is for ImpalerWrG, right?

      Most of it was, but anyone could respond.  The last part about mind control is really fair game though, because this was touched upon by other theories I've seen for White Diamond being involved.

      My main concern is if Pearl's mind (or anyone else's, for that matter) is being manipulated, how will we know for sure?  If Pearl was aware of this, it wouldn't make sense for her to be able to reveal it.  If the Diamonds can cover up that much, I bet they could cover up even more.  I don't think even Sapphire or Rose Quartz would have known what was going on.  We know of two other Pearls, but I don't think they are any more likely to reveal information than our Pearl.

      Speaking of Rose Quartz, some people think she may be responsible for Pearl's reluctance, in that she made Pearl promise not to reveal certain Diamond-specific information that at the time Pearl thought might be relevant.  Supporters of this theory say that Rose Quartz also told Garnet not to ask questions, and she hasn't really asked any since.  Now as to whether this is strictly "mind control", or the profound impact Rose Quartz had on Pearl's constitution, I can't say.  After all, Pearl did try to reveal the armory to Steven, thinking he didn't know about it, and wasn't aware Lion existed.  Then again, Lion showed Steven these things before then, so technically Pearl wasn't revealing new information, and Rose may have wanted Steven to know about it.

      How do you think it will be revealed in canon, if the "Diamonds silencing Pearls" is true?

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    • Femslash-addict wrote:
      Jolmev wrote:

      The message is for ImpalerWrG, right?

      Most of it was, but anyone could respond.  The last part about mind control is really fair game though, because this was touched upon by other theories I've seen for White Diamond being involved.

      My main concern is if Pearl's mind (or anyone else's, for that matter) is being manipulated, how will we know for sure?  If Pearl was aware of this, it wouldn't make sense for her to be able to reveal it.  If the Diamonds can cover up that much, I bet they could cover up even more.  I don't think even Sapphire or Rose Quartz would have known what was going on.  We know of two other Pearls, but I don't think they are any more likely to reveal information than our Pearl.

      Speaking of Rose Quartz, some people think she may be responsible for Pearl's reluctance, in that she made Pearl promise not to reveal certain Diamond-specific information that at the time Pearl thought might be relevant.  Supporters of this theory say that Rose Quartz also told Garnet not to ask questions, and she hasn't really asked any since.  Now as to whether this is strictly "mind control", or the profound impact Rose Quartz had on Pearl's constitution, I can't say.  After all, Pearl did try to reveal the armory to Steven, thinking he didn't know about it, and wasn't aware Lion existed.  Then again, Lion showed Steven these things before then, so technically Pearl wasn't revealing new information, and Rose may have wanted Steven to know about it.

      How do you think it will be revealed in canon, if the "Diamonds silencing Pearls" is true?

      I think Pearl is not suffering mind control, her thing is more strange, she is aware of it, is a weird brainwashing-movie stuff, but it's interesting

      Rose is the one who has some sort of mind control powers, so that theory makes Rose dark, but also makes sense, which is interesting

      In a universe where Steven gets curious and asks more questions, Pearl's behavior will be more evident, so, maybe, just maybe, Steven in the next episodes (2023) gains curiosity

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    • Brainwashing and mind control are synonyms in English, so I don't understand the distinction you are making here.

      I do agree, however, that Steven's curiosity will be piqued in the coming episodes.  I felt that the recent arc dodged each potential reveal in a tease by focusing on the conflict between Steven and Connie.  I mean, all he really cared about was Connie, and barely even mentioned Homeworld.  Lars and the Off Colors have yet to be resolved, even if we don't learn more about the Diamonds directly.

      Color me skeptical, but I feel Pearl's behavior was a tongue-in-cheek literal manifestation of her internal ambivalence.

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    • Femslash-addict wrote:
      Brainwashing and mind control are synonyms in English, so I don't understand the distinction you are making here.

      I do agree, however, that Steven's curiosity will be piqued in the coming episodes.  I felt that the recent arc dodged each potential reveal in a tease by focusing on the conflict between Steven and Connie.  I mean, all he really cared about was Connie, and barely even mentioned Homeworld.  Lars and the Off Colors have yet to be resolved, even if we don't learn more about the Diamonds directly.

      Color me skeptical, but I feel Pearl's behavior was a tongue-in-cheek literal manifestation of her internal ambivalence.

      Well, brain washing is a type of mind control, like, for example, in movies, when someone is brain washed to kill other someone, they get stuff in their subconcious but is temporary or works only when is triggered, while mind control in overall is mostly related with possession and being controlled like a puppet (all the time)

      When i first saw the episode i thought that Pearl was just messing with Steven, then some people mentioned the word "foreshadowing"

      I have imagined a scene in which Garnet holds Pearl's hands and Pearl's mouth closes like in that scene of the Matrix XD (since they are gems, they can shapeshift that XDDDD)

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    • Jolmev wrote:

      Well, brain washing is a type of mind control, like, for example, in movies, when someone is brain washed to kill other someone, they get stuff in their subconcious but is temporary or works only when is triggered, while mind control in overall is mostly related with possession and being controlled like a puppet (all the time)

      When i first saw the episode i thought that Pearl was just messing with Steven, then some people mentioned the word "foreshadowing"

      I have imagined a scene in which Garnet holds Pearl's hands and Pearl's mouth closes like in that scene of the Matrix XD (since they are gems, they can shapeshift that XDDDD)

      Ah, I see.  So do you suppose Pearl's brainwashing will "wear off" in the future, and how?

      Yes, I've noticed this is a really popular theory, and certainly an interesting use of foreshadowing.

      Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it was never addressed again though.  The promos for the arc were totally misleading, since it made it seem like we were getting some sort of reveal.  Technically this isn't the first time Pearl has covered her mouth, though I don't think it's ever been as conspicuous as this.  Pearls in general appear to be somewhat meek and neurotic characters.

      Garnet has sort of hinted at Pearl being sensitive about matters regarding Homeworld, and even Garnet isn't completely immune.  In Steven's Dream, she refused to tell Steven about what she "saw" in Korea because she was afraid not only of Steven's intrigue inadvertently putting everyone in danger, but also because Ruby and Sapphire are downright frightened by Blue Diamond, who was Sapphire's former Diamond, and possibly Ruby's.  Maybe Pearl experienced a similar situation with her former Diamond (or owner, if it wasn't a Diamond), which is why Pearl can't seem to speak directly about her: the memory is too overwhelming and traumatizing.

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    • Brainwashing is pretty much synonymous to mind control (powerlisting wiki and wikipedia too). Though what Jolmev is describing is relatively common trope in media, especially in espionage movies. They're called Manchurian Agents, sleeper agents that are brainwashed to not know they're agents until something triggers it, usually a trigger phrase.

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    • Iudexkoo wrote:
      Brainwashing is pretty much synonymous to mind control (powerlisting wiki and wikipedia too). Though what Jolmev is describing is relatively common trope in media, especially in espionage movies. They're called Manchurian Agents, sleeper agents that are brainwashed to not know they're agents until something triggers it, usually a trigger phrase.

      You know, I haven't watched that movie or read the book (yet), but I'll add it to my watch/readinglist.  I'd like to know what that trigger might be, because "Homeworld" seems awfully broad.

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    • Femslash-addict wrote:
      ImpalerWrG wrote:
      Sorry I ment Rodinite (the ruby/pearl fusion) can freely talk about Morganite.  So that Pearl seems to not be conditioned in the same way as our Pearl.
      Ok, I understand. 

      Would that mean both Pink and White Diamond silenced her about revealing about themselves (respectively), or would it have just been Pink Diamond?  Also, do you suppose our Pearl's replacement was strictly a PD creation, if she was replaced?  Would silencing apply only to the respective DIamonds, or all Diamonds?  I'm assuming you meant the former, but I'm still not sure how we'll get a White Diamond reveal without another Gem coming along or being cured of corruption.  I wonder if we can even receive confirmation in canon that this is the case, since mind control is one of those omnipotent abilities that transcends proof.

      I don't mean to put you on the spot, I'm just trying to foster discussion on the matter.


      I suspect the 'conditioning' (the term I like to use) works a bit like a lawyer-client confinentiality, aka only Pearls direct contact with and insider information is squelched, but she could for example tell us anything which is just common knowlege about homeworld or diamond policy.  This theory also implies that the diamonds hid something around PD shattering if were correct that Pearls reaction at the time was a conditioned one, not that we didn't already supect that from several sources alredy.

      The answer as to which diamond Pearls silence applies to will match which diamond/s she was with.  If she had contact with both Pink and White then she would be unable to talk about either, if only one then she could talk about the other but likely dose not know anything special.

      I agree that the reveal of White Diamond is likely going to come from some source other then Pearl, Garnet is a possibility as is White just making some splashy entrance and anouncing herself with no spoken acknowlegment in the show prior to that, the show seems firm in it's determination never speak her name.

      I think that cannon confirmation of the nature of the pearl conditioning is a fairly easy thing to get, Pearls that are not conditioned probably know of the process, as would other gems (Peridot maybe?).  Even Garnet might be able to tell us. 

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    • Femslash-addict wrote:

      Ah, I see.  So do you suppose Pearl's brainwashing will "wear off" in the future, and how?

      Yes, I've noticed this is a really popular theory, and certainly an interesting use of foreshadowing.

      Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it was never addressed again though.  The promos for the arc were totally misleading, since it made it seem like we were getting some sort of reveal.  Technically this isn't the first time Pearl has covered her mouth, though I don't think it's ever been as conspicuous as this.  Pearls in general appear to be somewhat meek and neurotic characters.

      Garnet has sort of hinted at Pearl being sensitive about matters regarding Homeworld, and even Garnet isn't completely immune.  In Steven's Dream, she refused to tell Steven about what she "saw" in Korea because she was afraid not only of Steven's intrigue inadvertently putting everyone in danger, but also because Ruby and Sapphire are downright frightened by Blue Diamond, who was Sapphire's former Diamond, and possibly Ruby's.  Maybe Pearl experienced a similar situation with her former Diamond (or owner, if it wasn't a Diamond), which is why Pearl can't seem to speak directly about her: the memory is too overwhelming and traumatizing.

      As koo explained, something triggers the movie-like brainwashing, everytime Pearl wants to talk about WD/PD it is triggered and something makes her cover her mouth, in this example

      I will say it again, i really thought Pearl was just messing with Steven xD, but that theory about mind control is interesting

      That last part is also likely, it could be just a trauma, Pearl's former owner being abusive is something that kinda fits

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    • ImpalerWrG wrote:

      I suspect the 'conditioning' (the term I like to use) works a bit like a lawyer-client confinentiality, aka only Pearls direct contact with and insider information is squelched, but she could for example tell us anything which is just common knowlege about homeworld or diamond policy.  This theory also implies that the diamonds hid something around PD shattering if were correct that Pearls reaction at the time was a conditioned one, not that we didn't already supect that from several sources alredy.

      Do you suppose she wanted to tell Steven the truth of shattering at the time?  I also believe that there is Diamond involvement in PD's shattering, but I'd be surprised if Pearl knew this, and not Garnet.

      I wonder what it was she was trying to reveal.  The lead up makes it seem like she was going to reveal something about the Diamonds, maybe that she belonged to White Diamond and/or Pink Diamond.  I'm not sure that detail in particular would fall under attorney-client privilege, since the "client's" identity isn't really a secret.  Also, wouldn't it terminate after shatter, at least in the case of Pink Diamond?

      The answer as to which diamond Pearls silence applies to will match which diamond/s she was with.  If she had contact with both Pink and White then she would be unable to talk about either, if only one then she could talk about the other but likely dose not know anything special.

      Okay, I think both of them are still fair game at this point, since I can't recall an instance where PD's name was stated outright by Pearl.

      I agree that the reveal of White Diamond is likely going to come from some source other then Pearl, Garnet is a possibility as is White just making some splashy entrance and anouncing herself with no spoken acknowlegment in the show prior to that, the show seems firm in it's determination never speak her name.

      I'm not sure about Garnet, since Ruby might not've been a WD Gem.  WD making an entrance would be pretty cool, because at this point every other Diamond was introduced verbally before appearing in person.

      I think that cannon confirmation of the nature of the pearl conditioning is a fairly easy thing to get, Pearls that are not conditioned probably know of the process, as would other gems (Peridot maybe?).  Even Garnet might be able to tell us. 
      Wouldn't it be dangerous for other Gems, especially lesser ones, to know that this occurs?  If Garnet and possibly Peridot are aware of this information, why haven't they disclosed this fact already?  Steven's pressed Pearl for answers on several occassions, and Garnet should've been frank with him if Pearl is contractually bound to withold what she knows.

      I don't know, this just feels way to convenient for me; interesting concept, but contrived.

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    • We need to look at it in two ways. Either Pearl was conditioned by someone else or she conditioned herself. It's not far-fetched of an idea that someone subconsciously represses their memories due to the high levels of stress or a form of post-traumatic experience brought along with it.

      And it also plays along the notion brought up by Garnet that Pearl's sensitive to this kind of stuff. Garnet and the rest of the CGs knows that Pearl will not and cannot say the memories she has.

      If it was just conditioning to repress memories by someone else, Pearl's problem would just be the inability to convey what she remembers or the inability to remember it. When Pearl was trying to tell Steven, you can see she is very distraught. As if the idea of bringing up such memories is painful for her.

      So, Homeworld... I always hoped you'd see it some day, but I thought I'd be there with you. Being taken there as a prisoner, I suppose it was something of a dramatic experience. It's just, [Sits down] Steven, I'm sure you have a lot of questions you'd like answers to, like about the Diamonds, for instance. There are things that are impossible for me to explain. But I want to. I -- [Covers her mouth for a moment] Steven, I -- [Covers mouth again and doubles over]

      There's also the idea of Pearl having been through some sort of Pavlovian/Classical conditioning but I really don't see why they [Homeworld] would.

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    • I think the latter (Pearl conditioned herself) is better supported by canon at this time.  I also think repression/suppression could apply to BD, but that's a different tangent (How do you strikethough text?  I've wanted to use that feature for the longest time).  This options has the potential for satisfying character development for Pearl if she ever learns to confront her tendencies and "face her fears".  Maybe Rose couldn't get through to her on this issue.   Maybe Rose is in part, the source of this issue, as we know how anxious Pearl became when Steven found out Rose shattered PD.

      Classical conditioning: that's an interesting way to think about it.  I'd imagined that Gems in general were "conditioned" a la Aldous Huxley's Brave New World to reinforce class differences.

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    • Femslash-addict wrote:
      I think the latter (Pearl conditioned herself) is better supported by canon at this time.  I also think repression/suppression could apply to BD, but that's a different tangent (How do you strikethough text?  I've wanted to use that feature for the longest time).  This options has the potential for satisfying character development for Pearl if she ever learns to confront her tendencies and "face her fears".  Maybe Rose couldn't get through to her on this issue.   Maybe Rose is in part, the source of this issue, as we know how anxious Pearl became when Steven found out Rose shattered PD.

      Classical conditioning: that's an interesting way to think about it.  I'd imagined that Gems in general were "conditioned" a la Aldous Huxley's Brave New World to reinforce class differences.

      Yeah, that path makes more sense

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    • That is a possibility we should consider, but I would rank outside conditioning as more likely then self conditioning, we know Gem society is capitol T totoliarian so this just feels more consistent with the show so far.  Subconcious suppression would require Pearl to not even be aware she HAS information, but she knows that she knows and approatches Steven with intent to use that information to help him despite her limitation in conveying it.

      Under that interpretation Pearls 'sensitivity' is a byproduct of conditioning, which is consistent with the 'clockwork orange' stuff they may have done to her to achive the state, trying to convey this information is 'triggering' her so to speak.

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    • Subconcious supression both applies to outside and self conditioning, what applies to one, applies to the other, the main difference between the two is who did it and why it was done. Self conditioning is usually done by the self to preserve mental health, more of a defence mechanism. Outside conditioning is usually done to make the person forget or prevent

      Also, subconcious supression doesn't necessarily mean complete lack of supressed memory, rather the brain refuses to acknowledge that the memory exists. This is what often leads people to become distraught, the concious mind tries to remember but the unconcious self is fighting to keep it from surfacing. Which leads to an in-fighting with the self.

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    •  we know Gem society is capital T totalitarian  

      Certainly can't argue with that.  

      Under that interpretation Pearls 'sensitivity' is a byproduct of conditioning, which is consistent with the 'clockwork orange' stuff they may have done to her to achieve the state, trying to convey this information is 'triggering' her so to speak.

      And now I understand the trigger!

      Here's a creepy thought: what if, outside the "mass corruption", White Diamond had nothing to do with anything Earth-related?  What if her role in the Diamond Authority and Gem Society at large isn't much more than an oracle of sorts, and she has in fact taken a back seat to the other Diamonds?  I don't necessarily mean she's clairvoyant, but rather a source of wisdom.

      I wonder what kind of leader she is/was to Gems in her court.

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    • Femslash-addict wrote:
       we know Gem society is capital T totalitarian  
      Certainly can't argue with that.  


      Under that interpretation Pearls 'sensitivity' is a byproduct of conditioning, which is consistent with the 'clockwork orange' stuff they may have done to her to achieve the state, trying to convey this information is 'triggering' her so to speak.
      And now I understand the trigger!

      Here's a creepy thought: what if, outside the "mass corruption", White Diamond had nothing to do with anything Earth-related?  What if her role in the Diamond Authority and Gem Society at large isn't much more than an oracle of sorts, and she has in fact taken a back seat to the other Diamonds?  I don't necessarily mean she's clairvoyant, but rather a source of wisdom.

      I wonder what kind of leader she is/was to Gems in her court.

      So, WD moves the strings? i like that, makes sense too

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    • What if Pearl covers her mouth because PD really made her suffer when she was her diamond, to the point that she is beyond the Lapis Lazuli scale of trauma?

      Not my headcanon about PD, but it fits

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