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  • My biggest issue is Steven and Connie's relationship

    No! I think Connie is a right girl for Steven but my problem with this relationship is Steven will outlive Connie because his half-immortal status. Look at Greg and Rose's relationship! I know Rose give up her physical form to give birth to Steven but i think she did this because she know Greg was going to die and she doesn't want to see him DIE!

    Crewniverse are NOT aware of this issue? Steven would absolutely be DEVASTATED with Connie's death! Steven will NO longer being the happy kid anymore!

    How would Steven deal with this HUGE issue with him outlive Connie?

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    • We all die. I seriously doubt the show will last that long. Your also not taking into account how they could die fighting considering the danger they put themselves in.


      My biggest problem is some of the fans.

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    • as seen in so many birthdays steven ages involuntarily and age can kill him

      so hes not really immortal

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    • Aimus Amber wrote: as seen in so many birthdays steven ages involuntarily and age can kill him

      so hes not really immortal

      Steven can be immortal if he wants to because he can mantain a set age, because as shown in by the end of Too Many Birthdays he can control it by his state of mind, however it's also unknown whether Steven ages just slower than a Human because of his Gem Half.

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    • My biggest problem is Stevonnie, I mean I get it, she is cool but I wanna see steven and connie fight not fused.

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    • this shows biggest flaw is lapis

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    • Aimus Amber wrote:
      this shows biggest flaw is lapis

      huh? ... wait LAPIS?!  

      why?

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    • Shes so bland

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    • My biggest grip is the Steven prospective rule. Can we just get rid of it, I rather some episodes from teh prospective of the Crystal Gems, they are way more interesting, and even more the gem at the barn.

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    • The fans,

      I used to have a problem with Steven's voice when the show started but his voice is cool now.

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    • I know stevens lines are just so forced so he could have lines in the show

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    • big issue with the show...

      • - That despite Earth and the life on it being a priority for the main protagonists, there is barely enough human or earth animal interaction / stories to balance out all the gem-based drama.
        • --- Even though Season 3 was a welcome start to reintroducing some of the Beach City residents. I would like to see more.
      • - The Crystal Gems were ordered by Rose Quartz to comatose Corrupted Gems, but not given a reason as to why.
        • --- I can't recall an episode where a Corrupted Gem was a threat to humanity, if anything, these types of Gems have been living their own life on Earth in this form.
      • - The Crewniverses wanting for guest voices to be, basically, known celebrities / entertainers who (according to internet) cost the show a penny to even hire for a few lines.
        • --- This results in interesting characters to be shoved aside after one episode of use.
      • Lapis Lazuli. . . just being there. . .
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    • The absolute biggest problem with the show is:

      HIATUSES!!!!!!

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    • I hate: Hiatuses Stevens original voice and design (if you watch his design in gem glow and then see him in full disclosure you'll see what I mean). Or how he said people's names so many times you could make a drinking game. The fact that the CG never trust Steven with anything. I get that they're still weary with him but it's like a recurring joke and he has proven himself time and time again but they still keep info from him. If Steven likes you, he'll do anything for you, but if he hates you, too bad. Like he loves lapis, even though lapis did bad things (like bad things to Jasper and it's kinda implied that lapis might've done bad things beforehand.) Keep in mind that Jasper was only doing her job and kept lapis in check as the CG were traitors to Homeworld and since Homeworld thought lapis was a traitor same deal. Lapis just kept abusing Jasper for months on end and yet Steven is siding with lapis. The fact that the CG or the HG have all of these powers at their disposal and almost never use them. Like peri had electrokinesis so she could've easily escaped instead of just let go of her foot. Or as we've seen, garnet can fly and use electricity but never does so. Or the fact that the CG somehow always know where Steven is, like they have a chip on him. Like in catch and release he's gone for like five minutes and somehow they know where to find him. Or in when it rains he's gone for like fifteen and they still know. Finally my biggest problem is that we get a lot of development from characters and after their arcs are over we never see them again. Like peri had her own arc and then after barn mates was barely in the show. Or lapis same deal and barely in the show.

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    • I know I sound like a lot but a lot of shows I like have problems.

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    • Gem homeworld

      alternate histories

      and "Absent Aliens" trope (other alien races besides just Gems and humans)

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    • I think we might get more aliens besides the gems and the humans. Like maybe the aliens aren't as developed as the gems so they took advantage and colonized the world. Or the alien race challenges the gems. I mean what would Homeworld do with the cluster after they had it?

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    • I'm pretty sure that there is a lot of aliens there because there is a lot of gems colony

      and remember when peridot said that the cluster capable of destroying worlds, starting with this one. that's mean there is some lives on other worlds right?

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    • Zzfunk wrote:
      My biggest grip is the Steven prospective rule. Can we just get rid of it, I rather some episodes from teh prospective of the Crystal Gems, they are way more interesting, and even more the gem at the barn.


      Yes, that's mine too. The first episodes were focused on Steven's silly kid problems while the cool ladies were doing awsome stuff off-screen. Frustrating, and aggravated by the fact that CN France was only rerunning the two first episodes again and again ad nauseam... I didn't get a good opinion on the show at first.

      Then in more recent episodes, it's kind of reversed... I'm especially thinking of Super Watermelon Island and Gem Drill: it's like the Crystal Gems can't do anything anymore without Steven, because we can't see them if he's not here. For a diversity empowering fiction, it's a little annoying to see them relying so much on the little white guy.

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    • Hey... The show is called Steven Universe, what did you expect ? =P

      It's the plot of the show to see the evolution of Steven from a basically powerless and confused kid, to a full fleged Crystal Gem, and maybe even the new leader of the rebellion. The show was never about the story of Garnet, Pearl and Amethyst.... If it was the case, the show would have started at the Gem War and even before, it's just... that Steven learn about all thoses things and interract with all theses characters, so their problems and stories are brought about...

      But the focus is on Steven, his life is the plot of the show :D

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    • Yeah but the show is entirely from Stevens perspective. It's like game of thrones books: most of the stuff happens off screen because of it. Like most of Robb's battles happen os to the point where he's barely in the second book for instance. If we saw the characters os to explain something about them (unless it's a major plot point) it'd work. Like it'd be a good idea to see lapis and Jasper fighting over malachite in a scene without Steven because it'd show how bad the relationship actually was whereas if they showed a scene of rose being "I made lion!" and it wasn't Stevens perspective or a flashback it wouldn't work.

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    • Just because the story is from Steven's prospecitve, doesn't mean he has to be in every series. I mean Avatar: The Last Airbender was from Katara's prospective and she wasn't in every scene, Fairy Tail is from Lucy's prospective and she is not in every scene.

      One thing to have a character that is the point of view and contious of the story, but they go over board.

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    • Zzfunk wrote: Just because the story is from Steven's prospecitve, doesn't mean he has to be in every series. I mean Avatar: The Last Airbender was from Katara's prospective and she wasn't in every scene, Fairy Tail is from Lucy's prospective and she is not in every scene.

      One thing to have a character that is the point of view and contious of the story, but they go over board.

      If I remember this, There was a scene with Garnet and Pearl talking with each other on Friend Ship but it wasn't Steven's perspective as he and Amethyst were too freaking out of watching their conversation which might be the only moment that we wasn't in Steven's Perspective

      I have a feeling this could be executive meddling from CN as they wanted more of other characters beside Steven because it's Cartoon Network! LOL

      Beside that, Rebecca purposely made the show about perspective from Steven because she made the show for her little brother.

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    • I really don't like how Steven ask absolutly nothing about Homeworld or the gem stuff in general, I mean .... we could know so much stuff like : Who is Whyte Diamond ? Who did Pearl belonged to ? What is the role of lapis lazulis on Homeworld ?

      and plenty of other stuff ....

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    • Vin13ish wrote:

      Zzfunk wrote: Just because the story is from Steven's prospecitve, doesn't mean he has to be in every series. I mean Avatar: The Last Airbender was from Katara's prospective and she wasn't in every scene, Fairy Tail is from Lucy's prospective and she is not in every scene.

      One thing to have a character that is the point of view and contious of the story, but they go over board.

      If I remember this, There was a scene with Garnet and Pearl talking with each other on Friend Ship but it wasn't Steven's perspective as he and Amethyst were too freaking out of watching their conversation which might be the only moment that we wasn't in Steven's Perspective

      I have a feeling this could be executive meddling from CN as they wanted more of other characters beside Steven because it's Cartoon Network! LOL

      Beside that, Rebecca purposely made the show about perspective from Steven because she made the show for her little brother.

      If that is true, than for once, thank you executive meddling, because you actually did something right for a change.

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    • My biggest concerns with the show is some of the writing and pacing. And the comedy. And the fact how almost every major problem in the show is solved by "talking it out".

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    • CHR0MEMATIC wrote:
      My biggest concerns with the show is some of the writing and pacing. And the comedy. And the fact how almost every major problem in the show is solved by "talking it out".

      HAH! so true

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    • Sookey5 wrote:
      I think we might get more aliens besides the gems and the humans. Like maybe the aliens aren't as developed as the gems so they took advantage and colonized the world. Or the alien race challenges the gems. I mean what would Homeworld do with the cluster after they had it?

      how about aliens coming to earth as, how the cookie cat song describes it, "Refugees from an Interstellar War".

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    • Maybe we'll get an alien from another world come to earth that Steven befriends and we learn about why the gems are attacking and colonizing or who created the gems like how they created transformers.

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    • My biggest issue is the 11-minute format. I'm a story-telling person which is why I enjoyed Bismuth.

      I'd like it 22 minutes personally.

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    • i have issues with the 11-minute format that makes episodes sometimes seem to be lacking, like that feel you have at the end of a AT episode(but in there is proposital), the fact that we don't get to know much about homeworld, others gem species and other races in general, and Lapis, really, she needs some development, and Steven bothers me a lot, he doesn't ask stuff, and do some stupid stuff that seems to belong to Season 1A.

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    • My biggest problems with the show are actually Rose and Steven. As a character, I LOATHE Rose. Her motivations are selfish, her deeds are usually unjustified, she murdered her superior and doomed her child to a motherless life. 

      Steven, meanwhile, feels unrealistic. I understand he's supposed to be a happy caring loving person like his mom was- but Rose could be brutal, and stupid, and cruel. Everyone idiolizes Rose and looks down on Steven, when I believe it should be the other way around. Rose was crappy to Pearl, Greg, and Steven. Her son is all her kindness and none of her sharp edge. I want to see Steven be... mean. Be a warrior. And I want Rose to not be a "goddess" figure because she'd "dead".

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    • Aimus Amber wrote: this shows biggest flaw is lapis

      How dare you

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    • I don't like how the gems hate Steven because he's not Rose Quartz.

      The fans are super toxic.

      Also Connie is kind of getting on my nerves. I don't hate her but starting from Nightmare Hospital it's like meh. She was given Rose's Sword which everybody likes and idolizes and she didn't get in trouble by her mom. Also Connie is too smart which makes Steven seem dumb in comparison. In Gem Hunt she was super annoying and she was a chatterbox and talked too much about how the world might end. Connie is also insensitive in Crack the Whip she didn't give a flip about Amethyst's feelings unlike Steven and when Stevonnie, took down Jasper singlehandedly not to mention that Connie is always topping everyone else. In Mindful Education she's all wah wah sad for no reason and everyone literally drops everything to help her connie could almost be a Sue. Now she goes on missions????? Not to mention she causes a lot of drama.

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    • Sookey5 wrote:
      Maybe we'll get an alien from another world come to earth that Steven befriends and we learn about why the gems are attacking and colonizing or who created the gems like how they created transformers.

      I hope this alien is bepicted in a more realistic down-to-earth manner not the stereotypical 19th century upper class Brit-Alien.

      also add some kind fo moral grey to it by having said alien develop a xenophobic view on gems. like he attacks steven after seeing a gem on his bellybutton which causes said alien to go beserk

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    • 1. Steven giving Connie his mother's sword. Ugh this is getting on my nerves. This sword should be Steven's property, not hers... And all the sword fighting she is practicing with it makes me hate her even more... I think both Rose's sword should be used by Steven only.

      2. Connie again. Her character is so dull, like she is there to just fill in the position of "Steven's future girlfriend and fighting mate". It's ridiculous. And everything with her happens so fast! Like comeee onnn how is she such a perfect sword fighter after such a short amount of time! And she is suddenly going on gem missions? Please no. I really see her as nothing, but an intruder.

      3. How suddenly Steven grew up... in the first episode he was singing the Cookie Cat song and now he is stronger, beats Amethyst, gets control over his powers and... I just miss the old, careless him... sigh.

      4. Garnet said that love takes time, but why then Ruby and Sapphire had such a simple story that took a short amount of time? Met, fused, stayed on Earth, fused again. The writers should've thought of something a bit more interesting.

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    • Youssef zenox wrote:
      Aimus Amber wrote:
      this shows biggest flaw is lapis
      huh? ... wait LAPIS?!  

      why?

      Because Lapis isn't actually a crystal; she's a rock. All the other gems (even Pearl and Bismuth) are Crystals.

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    • Chrome Quartz wrote:
      Youssef zenox wrote:
      Aimus Amber wrote:
      this shows biggest flaw is lapis
      huh? ... wait LAPIS?!  

      why?

      Because Lapis isn't actually a crystal; she's a rock. All the other gems (even Pearl and Bismuth) are Crystals.

      ...pearls aren't crystals. Nor do they FORM crystals.

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    • SU was great until Homeworld ruined it

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      SU was great until Homeworld ruined it


      Mind explaining?

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      SU was great until Homeworld ruined it

      Mind explaining?
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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:
      Chrome Quartz wrote:
      Youssef zenox wrote:
      Aimus Amber wrote:
      this shows biggest flaw is lapis
      huh? ... wait LAPIS?!  

      why?

      Because Lapis isn't actually a crystal; she's a rock. All the other gems (even Pearl and Bismuth) are Crystals.
      ...pearls aren't crystals. Nor do they FORM crystals.

      Pearls are crystals. They may be made by Oysters, but they are crystaline structures.  

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    • Sinbad not voicing Mr. Smiley anymore. Aside from that and Ronaldo Fryman it's kinda the perfect cartoon. Close as it can be anyhow.

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    • I'm really rather bothered by the plethora of continuity errors and possible plot holes. 

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    • Bfdi Fan 229 wrote:
      My biggest problem is Stevonnie, I mean I get it, she is cool but I wanna see steven and connie fight not fused.

      Watch Crack the Whip.

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    • biggest issue after having only watched SU a week ago :p (in a crazy all ep insomniac binge of obsession) is still that I find Steven a tad irritating tbh. Everything else about this show is still amzing to me atm :D

      the Connie age thing is there in a big way in pony where you suddenly have immortal ponies so I'm used to that craziness. Actually SU has a way round that issue eg Steven passing on his gem to his daughter/son and going on to live a fully human life with Connie.

      personally not bothered by plot / lore holes given that the show's doing a good job even being able to have interesting lore and maintain a fairly consistent plot. Just like with pony, people who know what lore is shouldn't be into the show and it's amazing that they are :D  

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    • Biggest problem is that Lion's the only furry bait on the show. smh

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    • Iudexkoo wrote:
      Biggest problem is that Lion's the only furry bait on the show. smh
      What about Catmethyst?
      SU - Frybo-Catfingers.00 14 09 23.Still006

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    • Don't forget Garnet's imaginary animal friends.

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    • My problem is....




      THAT THE CREWNIVERSE BARELY EVEN SHOW THE DIAMONDS!

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    • Chrome Quartz wrote:
      I'm really rather bothered by the plethora of continuity errors and possible plot holes. 

      Explain

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    • Bunai82 wrote:
      big issue with the show...*- That despite Earth and the life on it being a priority for the main protagonists, there is barely enough human or earth animal interaction / stories to balance out all the gem-based drama.
        • --- Even though Season 3 was a welcome start to reintroducing some of the Beach City residents. I would like to see more.


      This. We could use some development for Connie as well. A lot of what we know about her is stuff she's told us, and not stuff we've seen. We need to see more of her with her family and her life outside Steven so that we're not just taking her word for it.

      However, given the hints we've gotten about how different the world of Steven Universe is from our own...I can't help but think that maybe the Crewniverse isn't giving us a lot of information about Earth for a reason. If there are even bigger differences than the ones we know about (after all, all we knew was different was the money for a while, but then we got those maps of the Earth from It Could've Been Great...) giving us more information now would give it away. I don't know, we'll see.


      Bunai82 wrote:
      *- The Crystal Gems were ordered by Rose Quartz to comatose Corrupted Gems, but not given a reason as to why.
        • --- I can't recall an episode where a Corrupted Gem was a threat to humanity, if anything, these types of Gems have been living their own life on Earth in this form.


      We know now that corrupted Gems are bascially traumatized Gems that can't do anything but lash out and hurt others and themselves. We've seen multiple instances of corrupted Gem potentially hurting humans. (The glow worm that was causing earthquakes and attacked Connie and Steven, the haunted lighthouse that attacked Lars, Sadie and Ronaldo, those drill things that were attacking the board walk, the pufferfish, the crab monster, etc.) And since even Rose couldn't heal them, the only thing the Crystal Gems can do is put them in stasis so they can't hurt anyone and they won't suffer themselves.


      Bunai82 wrote:
      *Lapis Lazuli. . . just being there. . .


      The reason for this is two-fold. Story wise, Lapis has suffered multiple traumas and the Crewniverse does not want to show a character like that just get up and be okay without having to heal first. Her slowly getting some autonomy back and healing after what happened to her is important for her character and for one of the overall messages of the show. Meta wise, Lapis is ridiculously powerful. If she went out on missions with Steven, she'd bulldoze her way through a lot of things he might come up against. And that'd kill the drama. So she's in reserve until some really nasty stuff hits the stage.

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    • Kaizo Nochi wrote:

      Chrome Quartz wrote:
      I'm really rather bothered by the plethora of continuity errors and possible plot holes. 

      Explain

      Like how they say that rose did this when really she did that (like Pearl says that rose is from hw when bismuth says she was from earth) or that they should've known because of the future vision. Or how peri said that she had to reactivate the kindergarten and her mission is to check on the cluster. Or how it's said that the cluster is across the US under the beta kindergarten and yet Steven and peri can drill down to it in like two hours.

      I think the plot holes could be explained by the fact that the show is directed from Stevens perspective so he might misread info. He's also heavily naive since the gems kept him mostly isolated. Like the flashback sequences could be from his imagination and happened differently.

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    • Kaizo Nochi wrote:
      Chrome Quartz wrote:
      I'm really rather bothered by the plethora of continuity errors and possible plot holes. 
      Explain

      Everything to do with Future vision for one thing. Then also the fact that the Centepeedle ship had been visited twice before they went back with Centepeedle and found more then one of them. The drill bit monsters from the like fifth episode. The fact that Steven's bubble is sometimes insanly strong and other times breaks from basically nothing. There's a bunch more, but I've been trying to forget about them because I'd rather enjoy the show then nitpick it. 

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    • Sookey5 wrote:

      (...) Pearl says that rose is from hw

      (...) peri said that she had to reactivate the kindergarten

      (...) it's said that the cluster is across the US under the beta kindergarten

      I don't remember any of that, can you quote specific episodes, please?

      Chrome Quartz wrote:

      Everything to do with Future vision for one thing. Then also the fact that the Centepeedle ship had been visited twice before they went back with Centepeedle and found more then one of them.

      It's not the same ship. The one they visit in Friend Ship is wide open
      Friend Ship 117
      , and the Centipeedle's ship is burried in plants.
      Monster Reunion 261

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    • The episodes are warp tour, roses scabbard, on the run, and it could've been great.

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    • Another issue I realized was that Steven has a black and white view of the world. I understand that he's a teen but I think it'd be entertaining to watch where his view gets shattered. Like he learns more about his mom and maybe that she shattered more gems and that makes him realize that good people can be bad and vice versa.

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    • Sookey5 wrote:
      Another issue I realized was that Steven has a black and white view of the world. I understand that he's a teen but I think it'd be entertaining to watch where his view gets shattered. Like he learns more about his mom and maybe that she shattered more gems and that makes him realize that good people can be bad and vice versa.


      This is basically what happened is the last four weeks' episodes, incluiding today

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    • Honestly, my biggest issue with this show is that it panders to feminists and LGBT people too much instead of being good, and it's distracting.

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    • Mister Steal Yo Girl wrote: Honestly, my biggest issue with this show is that it panders to feminists and LGBT people too much instead of being good, and it's distracting.

      Pink guy triggered
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    • Mister Steal Yo Girl wrote:
      Honestly, my biggest issue with this show is that it panders to feminists and LGBT people too much instead of being good, and it's distracting.

      I would just give you kudos, but I need to say that I understand what you really mean, not what others might think you mean.

      I mean, like, yeah. Know what I mean?

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    • Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      Mister Steal Yo Girl wrote:
      Honestly, my biggest issue with this show is that it panders to feminists and LGBT people too much instead of being good, and it's distracting.
      I would just give you kudos, but I need to say that I understand what you really mean, not what others might think you mean.

      I mean, like, yeah. Know what I mean?

      I litteraly have no idea what either of you is talking about. Can one of you clarify?

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    • Chrome Quartz wrote:
      Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      Mister Steal Yo Girl wrote:
      Honestly, my biggest issue with this show is that it panders to feminists and LGBT people too much instead of being good, and it's distracting.
      I would just give you kudos, but I need to say that I understand what you really mean, not what others might think you mean.

      I mean, like, yeah. Know what I mean?

      I litteraly have no idea what either of you is talking about. Can one of you clarify?

      Nope.

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    • Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      Chrome Quartz wrote:
      Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      Mister Steal Yo Girl wrote:
      Honestly, my biggest issue with this show is that it panders to feminists and LGBT people too much instead of being good, and it's distracting.
      I would just give you kudos, but I need to say that I understand what you really mean, not what others might think you mean.

      I mean, like, yeah. Know what I mean?

      I litteraly have no idea what either of you is talking about. Can one of you clarify?
      Nope.

      But like, there isn't a single gay character? At least not a specifically gay character. And now there's a giant plotline about aliens and fighting for freedom and stuff, but somehow you're distracted by faminist themes? Like, am I missing something? 

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    • Yes. You're missing the same corporate nonsense that Nickelodeon pulled Legend of Korra where they throw in LGBT female characters for the sake of seeming progressive.

      Don't be a sheep.

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    • The characters have been like this since before the pilot was even made; Korrasami wasn't developed till later... Rebecca Sugar said that she made these characters the way they are because of her experiences as a bisexual woman, and for the sake of all of those who want to feel like they exist and that they're valid.

      I really relate to that. You can dislike the show, but saying the LGBT aspects are just some corporate nonsense is disrespectful to her, and to people like me.

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    • Lenhi wrote:
      The characters have been like this since before the pilot was even made; Korrasami wasn't developed till later... Rebecca Sugar said that she made these characters the way they are because of her experiences as a bisexual woman, and for the sake of all of those who want to feel like they exist and that they're valid.

      I really relate to that. You can dislike the show, but saying the LGBT aspects are just some corporate nonsense is disrespectful to her, and to people like me.

      Oh, Lenhi, I thought you would get it. Remember who MSYG is.

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    • Sookey5 wrote:
      The episodes are warp tour, roses scabbard, on the run, and it could've been great.


      I'm sorry, I don't find what you're talking about in On the Run and Rose's Scabbard. In Warp Tour, Peridot is interrupted:

      Peridot: Warp repair a success. All 79 flask robonoids deployed and accounted for. Preparing to locate and manually reactivate Kindergar— *gasps

      And then in Marble Madness, she reactivate the Kindergarten control room to check on the Cluster, so I would assume that's what she meant in Warp Tour.

      In It Could've Been Great, she did say the Cluster insertion point was the Beta Kindergarten, but that doesn't mean the Cluster is right under the surface, so I don't see how that contradict the two hours trip, it's not like traveling in the void of space, right?

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    • The Whole alternate timeline is one huge continuity error. I mean the crewniverse is just bad at coming up with a good alternate timeline. 

      How Can Humanity reach 21st century levels of advancement without the world wars occuring and causing all these technological breakthroughs? The SU version of the rpesent day shouldnt even be as advanced as shown int he series.

      I mean they should be stuck with turn-of-the-century technology if that were the case because without the wars there would be no motivation to advance.

      An example being that if there was no ww2 there would be no motivation to invent rockets and thus pearl would not have mentioned a bit of human spaceflight history in "Space race".

      Their alternate timeline breaks logic. 

      i mean here are some of the inventions created during ww2: https://www.timetoast.com/timelines/inventions-of-ww-ii

      Of course with no world wars it's all sunshine and rainbows but. . .

      no videogames

      no french fries

      no tv

      no radio

      no smartphones

      to tablets

      and every other war born invention that steven and everyone in beach city has and enjoys.

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    • Why are we assuming there were no World Wars?

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    • My biggest issue is that it sucks.

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    • Ed486 wrote:
      Why are we assuming there were no World Wars?


      Matt said there wasn't the WW2.

      But I think the Gem War kinda substitutes it

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Ed486 wrote:
      Why are we assuming there were no World Wars?

      Matt said there wasn't the WW2.

      But I think the Gem War kinda substitutes it

      matt may be shortsighted since he doesnt realize that some of the stuff in beach city is a post-WW2 invention that wouldnt have been developed had the war not happened. (Rockets, Color TV, Transistors, etc)

      War actually helps in advancing technology actually because it motiveates necessity. So if there was no WW2 several inventions which are seen in the show shuld not have been invented and there is no detour for how they got invented. so yeah, big continuity error in matt's statement

      Things actually stagnate/stasis in times of epace due to lack of motivation to advance. like if the world wars never happened in SU the world would have remained in it's pre-ww1 glory and many monarchies and empire would still be around such as imperial Germany (think kaiser), Tsar Russia (west russia since the remaining are is occupied by a crater) and Imperial Japan (there still may be a Co-presperity sphere in SU's Asia ).

      They omitted WW2 for censorship reasons (they think we can't handle WW2 in a kid's show and also to make humanity look like marysues who did no wrong) but I highly doubt matt's statement since the crewniverse is bad at alternate timelines and they never understand the long term effects thinking that no ww2 equals sunshine and rainbows.


      Regardless I still think an alternate WW2 still occured so as to explain the post ww2 inventions in SU's present. I don't care what all you say about war because your reasonings are flawed. 

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    • Well, with your point, I kinda now hope that Matt was lying, although the rocket thing is excused because Homeworld made them pre-WW1

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    • Towa12345 wrote:

      I don't care what all you say about war because your reasonings are flawed. 

      Well, who can argue with that?

      But yeah, thinking there can't be any other motivation than war for innovation is a deeply flawed reasoning...

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    • Sarasvato wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:

      I don't care what all you say about war because your reasonings are flawed. 

      Well, who can argue with that?
      But yeah, thinking there can't be any other motivation than war for innovation is a deeply flawed reasoning...

      Exactly and people here try to make that excuse as to why there are post ww2 inventions in SU when WW2 didnt occur.

      Matt's lying at that point and if it was canon then it won't make any sense and it's a huge example of the Crewniverse's shortsightedness when dealing with forging an alternate timeline

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:
      Well, with your point, I kinda now hope that Matt was lying, although the rocket thing is excused because Homeworld made them pre-WW1

      I am only thinking "Nazi scientists" at this statement. like scientists on the enemy side of SU's WW2 digging up on old homeworld ship, reverse engineering the technology and creating a load of wacky devices out of it. Among them the rocket.

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    • No, yeah, you are right, there's no need for inovation when aliens are invading the planet, must only inovate against ourselves

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      No, yeah, you are right, there's no need for inovation when aliens are invading the planet, must only inovate against ourselves

      when aliens invade your planet, you find a way to steal their technology, go into hidng for a while, reverse engineer said technology and build your own weapons to fight back. still innovation but against foreigners.

      creativity,the will to live and a load of xenophobia is what gets us through alien invasion

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    • What I'm saying is tat the things were probably inovated in the gem war too. It's just logical.

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      What I'm saying is tat the things were probably inovated in the gem war too. It's just logical.

      also flawed since human civilization in SU's present would have been super advanced than what is shown.

      this is a problem with many SU fans when it comes to alternate timelines, they don't consider the long term effects and changes or outsomes. just shortsighted and flawed logic.

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    • Sarasvato wrote:

      Towa12345 wrote:

      I don't care what all you say about war because your reasonings are flawed. 

      Well, who can argue with that?

      But yeah, thinking there can't be any other motivation than war for innovation is a deeply flawed reasoning...

      How else can you nitpick things that don't matter if not with flawed reasoning?

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    • Towa12345 wrote:

      I don't care what all you say about war because your reasonings are flawed.

      Oh so we have a war expert here, huh?

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:

      I don't care what all you say about war because your reasonings are flawed.

      Oh so we have a war expert here, huh?

      no, I just know alternate histories better and the long term effects wars usually have on them

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    • Also in Mr. Greg, when Steven is playing the piano, his finger strikes the same key twice yet produces two clearly different notes. I mean what, are we to assume this is some sort of MAGIC piano? Boy I hope somebody got fired for that blunder!

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:

      I don't care what all you say about war because your reasonings are flawed.

      Oh so we have a war expert here, huh?
      no, I just know alternate histories better

      ...says who?

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    • Vin13ish wrote:
      My biggest issue is Steven and Connie's relationship

      No! I think Connie is a right girl for Steven but my problem with this relationship is Steven will outlive Connie because his half-immortal status. Look at Greg and Rose's relationship! I know Rose give up her physical form to give birth to Steven but i think she did this because she know Greg was going to die and she doesn't want to see him DIE!

      Crewniverse are NOT aware of this issue? Steven would absolutely be DEVASTATED with Connie's death! Steven will NO longer being the happy kid anymore!

      How would Steven deal with this HUGE issue with him outlive Connie?

      Wait, Cant He Just Reverse His Age?

      He Could Just Feel Like a Kid, And Then turn into one.



      Either That of They Could Be Killed at the Same Time...

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:

      I don't care what all you say about war because your reasonings are flawed.

      Oh so we have a war expert here, huh?
      no, I just know alternate histories better
      ...says who?

      me and. . .

      http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/

      https://www.youtube.com/user/alternatehistorypt

      https://www.youtube.com/user/AlternateHistoryHub

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    • Huh. So there's actually a fiction-police. What that has to do with how the Steven Universe writers make their own story I cannot say.

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    • Ed486 wrote:
      Huh. So there's actually a fiction-police. What that has to do with how the Steven Universe writers make their own story I cannot say.

      shortsightedness and inability to see long term effects is what is has to do with the crewniverse

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    • Dude, IT'S A SHOW WHERE THE MAIN PROTAGONIST IS A KID-ROCK HYBRID. Don't try using real-world logic.

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    • Maybe ww2 happened?????

      Its not like the rebellion continued in the 40s or anything

      Maybe they dont mention it because its not appropriate or maybe they dont want to put real people like Hitler in a fictional universe

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    • Towa12345 wrote:

      Ed486 wrote:
      Huh. So there's actually a fiction-police. What that has to do with how the Steven Universe writers make their own story I cannot say.

      shortsightedness and inability to see long term effects is what is has to do with the crewniverse

      Their interpretation of a hypothetical scenario with infinite possible outcomes is different from yours. Where's the issue?

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    • Ed486 wrote:

      Towa12345 wrote:

      Ed486 wrote:
      Huh. So there's actually a fiction-police. What that has to do with how the Steven Universe writers make their own story I cannot say.
      shortsightedness and inability to see long term effects is what is has to do with the crewniverse
      Their interpretation of a hypothetical scenario with infinite possible outcomes is different from yours. Where's the issue?

      Condescension and a lack of appreciation and understanding of others views that don't coincide with oneself's.

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    • Huh. That's usually my issue.

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    • Ed486 wrote:
      Huh. That's usually my issue.

      Ah, well. Tis human folly.

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    •  

      Um, My Issue Is That, People's Logic Is Like This

      Lesbians: Meh

      Steven Universe: YAS!

      Lesbians + Steven Universe: OMG WORST SHOW EVER!

      A surprising amount of people hate the Show Due to Lesbianism. And Gay People In TV show Gets More Hate, I don't Get it.

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    • Peppa Pig wrote:
      Maybe ww2 happened?????

      Its not like the rebellion continued in the 40s or anything

      Maybe they dont mention it because its not appropriate or maybe they dont want to put real people like Hitler in a fictional universe

      exactly. they think that showng WWII it's innapropriate on Cartoon Network.

      Saying that it never happened only brings up inconsistencies because without WW2 many postwar inventions seen in the show would never come to light since the motivation to make them is nonexistent.

      In times of peace, stagnation occurs due to lack of motivation

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Dude, IT'S A SHOW WHERE THE MAIN PROTAGONIST IS A KID-ROCK HYBRID. Don't try using real-world logic.

      yet the show already uses real world logic too

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Dude, IT'S A SHOW WHERE THE MAIN PROTAGONIST IS A KID-ROCK HYBRID. Don't try using real-world logic.
      yet the show already uses real world logic too


      Yes, basic physics, not history.

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Dude, IT'S A SHOW WHERE THE MAIN PROTAGONIST IS A KID-ROCK HYBRID. Don't try using real-world logic.
      yet the show already uses real world logic too

      Yes, basic physics, not history.

      it just falls apart at the history aspect since it's alternate timeline shouldnt make sense

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    • I think now I'm actually more miffed that the Fandom is having a debate over alternate timelines and their "theoretical" implications, whilst we ignore science for 89% of the show and have magical polymorphic sentient rocks as the majority of major characters. 

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    • My biggest problem with the show is how they love to bring new mysteries to light, then leave them unanswered until 20-30 episodes later.  This show loves to dance around things. It's quite annoying.

      Not to mention the constant hiatuses.

      I feel like if this show wasn't as good as it is, it would have run itself into the ground.

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    • I dislike how they abruptly ended the Malachite arc, if you could even call it an arc.

      In Jail Break, Jasper and Lapis fused forming Malachite. They could have a real storyline about it, but the only episode where the CGs look for Malachite is in Chille Tid. And then they just threw it away to make way for the Cluster/Peridemption arc.

      Surprise, surprise, in Super Watermelon Island, Malachite is defeated, and THEN they wrap up the cluster arc.

      Well, I guess it's kind of a good thing they threw out the Malachite plot. They couldn't have both the Malachite arc and cluster arc at the exact same time.

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    • Peppa Pig wrote: I dislike how they abruptly ended the Malachite arc, if you could even call it an arc.

      In Jail Break, Jasper and Lapis fused forming Malachite. They could have a real storyline about it, but the only episode where the CGs look for Malachite is in Chille Tid. And then they just threw it away to make way for the Cluster/Peridemption arc.

      Surprise, surprise, in Super Watermelon Island, Malachite is defeated, and THEN they wrap up the cluster arc.

      Well, I guess it's kind of a good thing they threw out the Malachite plot. They couldn't have both the Malachite arc and cluster arc at the exact same time.

      It wasn't really a Malachite arc, but more like a way to throw away Jasper and Lapis and then set-up their individual arcs tbh. Also the "Cluster Arc" was more like a part of Peridot's arc more than anything imo.

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    • Chrome Quartz wrote:
      I think now I'm actually more miffed that the Fandom is having a debate over alternate timelines and their "theoretical" implications, whilst we ignore science for 89% of the show and have magical polymorphic sentient rocks as the majority of major characters. 

      because it makes no sense for there to be no world wars yet technologies and inventions seen in the show were invented either durng or after the world wars.

      They make up stupid excuses that it was invented in peace times. In peace time the need and motivation to make those inventions would never exist. In times of war technology advances because there is a need and motivation to innovate. Keep in mind that many of the appliances we have started off as a military invention. Heck, SPAM was ration from WW2.

      No world wars would mean sunshine and rainbows, but many technologies seen being used by humans in the show would not have been invented since the motivation and need to make them would not exist.

      Even empires, monarchies, and superpowers from the turn of the century would still be in power had the world wars never occured. Russia would still be ruled by the tsars (yes there is still enough land for the place to exist), Kaiser Germany is still in power, and Imperial Japan would by this time, have conquered all of Asia and continued committing atrocities on cities IN Asia.

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      Chrome Quartz wrote:
      I think now I'm actually more miffed that the Fandom is having a debate over alternate timelines and their "theoretical" implications, whilst we ignore science for 89% of the show and have magical polymorphic sentient rocks as the majority of major characters. 
      because it makes no sense for there to be no world wars yet technologies and inventions seen in the show were invented either durng or after the world wars.

      They make up stupid excuses that it was invented in peace times. In peace time the need and motivation to make those inventions would never exist. In times of war technology advances because there is a need and motivation to innovate. Keep in mind that many of the appliances we have started off as a military invention. Heck, SPAM was ration from WW2.

      No world wars would mean sunshine and rainbows, but many technologies seen being used by humans in the show would not have been invented since the motivation and need to make them would not exist.

      Even empires, monarchies, and superpowers from the turn of the century would still be in power had the world wars never occured. Russia would still be ruled by the tsars (yes there is still enough land for the place to exist), Kaiser Germany is still in power, and Imperial Japan would by this time, have conquered all of Asia and continued committing atrocities on cities IN Asia.

      Assuming any of those places even exist. This isn't our Earth, it's an earth from anouther dimension with its own history and stuff. 

      Plus you're completly ignoring the industrial revolution, which happened indipendently of any wars,m yet also maked a period of significant tecnological advancment. So yes, we invent stuff even without war. Sometimes it's slower, but othertimes war actually takes away from some field by completly exauhsting the udgets that would have paid for a different subset of inventions. 

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    • Chrome Quartz wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      Chrome Quartz wrote:
      I think now I'm actually more miffed that the Fandom is having a debate over alternate timelines and their "theoretical" implications, whilst we ignore science for 89% of the show and have magical polymorphic sentient rocks as the majority of major characters. 
      because it makes no sense for there to be no world wars yet technologies and inventions seen in the show were invented either durng or after the world wars.

      They make up stupid excuses that it was invented in peace times. In peace time the need and motivation to make those inventions would never exist. In times of war technology advances because there is a need and motivation to innovate. Keep in mind that many of the appliances we have started off as a military invention. Heck, SPAM was ration from WW2.

      No world wars would mean sunshine and rainbows, but many technologies seen being used by humans in the show would not have been invented since the motivation and need to make them would not exist.

      Even empires, monarchies, and superpowers from the turn of the century would still be in power had the world wars never occured. Russia would still be ruled by the tsars (yes there is still enough land for the place to exist), Kaiser Germany is still in power, and Imperial Japan would by this time, have conquered all of Asia and continued committing atrocities on cities IN Asia.

      Assuming any of those places even exist. This isn't our Earth, it's an earth from anouther dimension with its own history and stuff. 

      Plus you're completly ignoring the industrial revolution, which happened indipendently of any wars,m yet also maked a period of significant tecnological advancment. So yes, we invent stuff even without war. Sometimes it's slower, but othertimes war actually takes away from some field by completly exauhsting the udgets that would have paid for a different subset of inventions. 

      If that were the case Human civilization Earth shouldnt look lie how it's shown in sU. It should look radically different like everyone should be living in huts and wearing skimpy tribal outfits speaking in a wierd language that has to be subtitled constantly. But the more recent inventions we have originally started off as some kind of military hardware. Heck rockets wouldnt have been improved had there been no desire to make a faster missile to kill your enemies. and may i remind you that helicopters were also being developed n the early 40's. The motivation to advanced is driven by the need to find a way to gain the advantage over the enemy and end the war quicker.

      Yes Those countires still exist and your just brushing them off because of your shortsightedness and your unsopported facts.A similar flaw the crewniverse has.

      Like I said your reasoning is an excuse because when people settle in an age of peace they stagnate at a certain point of development. And if the world wars never occured, technology in 2010 in their timeline should look like some wierd steampunk/dieselpunk mishmash from 1910.

      There would be no smartphones or tablets because the transistor would never be invented leading to the development of the microchips and then the microprocessor. computers would still be the size of several rooms as opposed to being small.

      So yeah, there is no alternate (peacey) way for them to be discovered, so the only way for those inventions and breakthroughs to be made would be for a STAND-IN for the world wars to take place so that the motivation to make these inventions is still present.

      This is what i hate about the fandom when it comes to discussing about alternate timelines, they make up excuses for how something that is still their even though a precedent event never occured.

      you ending the argument that ti's just a cartoon means you lost my argument.

      seriously visit this site: http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/

      What if i told French fries was invented in WWI.

      like i said you and everyone else here say such things because of your black and white perception of war. or let me say this: WHAR!


      This can also apply to Homeowlrd's technological development. They advanced based on experiences from 5,000 years of wars with other civilizations.

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    • Seriously you guys humans have never invented anything unless they were trying to kill someone.

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    • Ed486 wrote:
      Seriously you guys humans have never invented anything unless they were trying to kill someone.

      exactly, if the world wars never happened there should be no form of advancement.


      and the modern world in SU wouldnt even look like how it's presented in the show.


      any argument against this reasoning is a nonsense excuse made by those who have a black and white view of war.

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      Ed486 wrote:
      Seriously you guys humans have never invented anything unless they were trying to kill someone.
      exactly, if the world wars never happened there should be no form of advancement.


      Yes, there would, and there was. It's how it is in the show. It's not our Earth, it's not our universe, things don't work the same way. If you think a way, fine, go make an AU about it. But just accept that it is this way by the simple fact that it's not like our Earth.

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    • Towa12345 wrote:

      Ed486 wrote:
      Seriously you guys humans have never invented anything unless they were trying to kill someone.

      exactly, if the world wars never happened there should be no form of advancement.


      and the modern world in SU wouldnt even look like how it's presented in the show.


      any argument against this reasoning is a nonsense excuse made by those who have a black and white view of war.

      Ladies and gentlemen, I give you irony.

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    • Towa12345 wrote: any argument against this reasoning is a nonsense excuse made by those who have a black and white view of war.
      Seek extreme medical help

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    • Ed486 wrote:

      Towa12345 wrote:


      Ed486 wrote:
      Seriously you guys humans have never invented anything unless they were trying to kill someone.
      exactly, if the world wars never happened there should be no form of advancement.


      and the modern world in SU wouldnt even look like how it's presented in the show.


      any argument against this reasoning is a nonsense excuse made by those who have a black and white view of war.

      Ladies and gentlemen, I give you irony.

      pretty ironic that no World wars equal sinshine and rainbows for all yet they in return we won't have the appliancies and amenities we see today. 

      and medically speaking, various breakthroughs in medicine occured in the wars. Driven out of the motivation to save lives on the battlefield. without that motivation, medicine would still be crude and dangerous.

      Heh, I can magine Priyanka in the corrected timeline specializing on outdated pre-ww1 medical practices instead of the modern medica practices hinted in the show.


      Ih you have seen columbia in bioshock infinite. that is what the modern day of SUs hould have looked like due tot he absence of the world wars.

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    • ....but towa, what about the world wars in transformers?

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    • Megatron18 wrote:
      ....but towa, what about the world wars in transformers?

      screw transformers, it has nothing to do with Su's timeline.

      you'll just give me  a poor excuse.

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      Megatron18 wrote:
      ....but towa, what about the world wars in transformers?
      screw transformers, it has nothing to do with Su's timeline.

      you'll just give me  a poor excuse.


      O CRAP THEY BROKE MY ARGUMENT BETTER SAY A POOR EXCUSE TO SAY WHY IT DOESn"T MATTER


      Really, it's to fiction worlds where the world war did not happen, yet the tecnology still advanced. Tell me the diference in the argument?

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    • I really hate the devolpment of Amethyst. It seems like she just went backwards, and now she's just a salty character who doesn't really do much but try to fight Jasper as a failed attempt of revenge. I like her backstory and that stuff, but she's just there for just fighting nowadays. ( I haven't seen the new episode so maybe that changed, don't kill me )

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      Megatron18 wrote:
      ....but towa, what about the world wars in transformers?
      screw transformers, it has nothing to do with Su's timeline.

      you'll just give me  a poor excuse.


      O CRAP THEY BROKE MY ARGUMENT BETTER SAY A POOR EXCUSE TO SAY WHY IT DOESn"T MATTER


      Really, it's to fiction worlds where the world war did not happen, yet the tecnology still advanced. Tell me the diference in the argument?

      now that's a poor excuse down their, even alternate timeline sin books were consistent and had better continuity than SU's. 

      SU's alternate timeline is a testament to how much the crewniverse sucks (really hard) in making an alternate timeline that preserves the modern look of su's present. lack of understanding in how alternate timelines work and shortsighted views on the omission fo wars rather than the long term effects both good and bad.

      I pity you for being so shallow-minded aqua

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    • Rose Quartz Ext. Intro
      My problem is the fat lady in the background
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    • my problem is that rose turned into creepy uncle bob who murders people and mentally scars small children.

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    • Honestly, you are just saying "Timeline is bad because it's not how I think it should be"  and everything we say about you, you claim as "Nonsense", "Poor excuse" or "crap".

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    • GreenQueen1287 wrote:
      I really hate the devolpment of Amethyst. It seems like she just went backwards, and now she's just a salty character who doesn't really do much but try to fight Jasper as a failed attempt of revenge. I like her backstory and that stuff, but she's just there for just fighting nowadays. ( I haven't seen the new episode so maybe that changed, don't kill me )

      is nobody going to mention my rant


      lol

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    • This thread is amazing.

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Honestly, you are just saying "Timeline is bad because it's not how I think it should be"  and everything we say about you, you claim as "Nonsense", "Poor excuse" or "crap".

      Best response

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Honestly, you are just saying "Timeline is bad because it's not how I think it should be"  and everything we say about you, you claim as "Nonsense", "Poor excuse" or "crap".

      it is, all of t.

      your just saying all of that stuff because you want to preserve your precious canon no matter how inconsistent it is.


      Well Anime Alternate histories are done far better than SU's?

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    • Towa12345 wrote:

      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Honestly, you are just saying "Timeline is bad because it's not how I think it should be"  and everything we say about you, you claim as "Nonsense", "Poor excuse" or "crap".

      it is, all of t.

      your just saying all of that stuff because you want to preserve your precious canon no matter how inconsistent it is.


      Well Anime Alternate histories are done far better than SU's?

      You're*

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    • Ed486 wrote:
      This thread is amazing.

      needs more salt

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    • Ed486 wrote:

      Towa12345 wrote:

      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Honestly, you are just saying "Timeline is bad because it's not how I think it should be"  and everything we say about you, you claim as "Nonsense", "Poor excuse" or "crap".
      it is, all of t.

      your just saying all of that stuff because you want to preserve your precious canon no matter how inconsistent it is.


      Well Anime Alternate histories are done far better than SU's?

      You're*

      Thanks for the error correction

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    • Aimus Amber wrote:
      Ed486 wrote:
      This thread is amazing.
      needs more salt

      Please no more

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    • Towa12345 wrote:

      Ed486 wrote:

      Towa12345 wrote:

      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Honestly, you are just saying "Timeline is bad because it's not how I think it should be"  and everything we say about you, you claim as "Nonsense", "Poor excuse" or "crap".
      it is, all of t.

      your just saying all of that stuff because you want to preserve your precious canon no matter how inconsistent it is.


      Well Anime Alternate histories are done far better than SU's?

      You're*

      Thanks for the error correction

      One of many :)

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    • anyways i also have problems with the fandom since it's semeingly populated by people who know nothing about the world around them and act like babies

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Honestly, you are just saying "Timeline is bad because it's not how I think it should be"  and everything we say about you, you claim as "Nonsense", "Poor excuse" or "crap".
      it is, all of t.

      your just saying all of that stuff because you want to preserve your precious canon no matter how inconsistent it is.


      Well Anime Alternate histories are done far better than SU's?


      No, I'm saying this because your reasoning doesn't make sense.

      "It is, all of it" Why again? Because it's not how you want it to be?

      Also, quoting you there changing a bit: "screw ANIME, it has nothing to do with Su's timeline."

      Look, it's not about what you want it to be. It's not supposed to be a way just because you keep thinking it should be like this. Plus you can't just argue with someone saying "You are just doing that because you like the show" or with completaly bland answers like "It is". And one does not just say not to compare SU with other things and then imediatly compare it to anime.

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    • Aimus Amber wrote:

      Ed486 wrote:
      This thread is amazing.

      needs more salt

      This?

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Honestly, you are just saying "Timeline is bad because it's not how I think it should be"  and everything we say about you, you claim as "Nonsense", "Poor excuse" or "crap".
      it is, all of t.

      your just saying all of that stuff because you want to preserve your precious canon no matter how inconsistent it is.


      Well Anime Alternate histories are done far better than SU's?


      No, I'm saying this because your reasoning doesn't make sense.

      "It is, all of it" Why again? Because it's not how you want it to be?

      Also, quoting you there changing a bit: "screw ANIME, it has nothing to do with Su's timeline."

      Look, it's not about what you want it to be. It's not supposed to be a way just because you keep thinking it should be like this. Plus you can't just argue with someone saying "You are just doing that because you like the show" or with completaly bland answers like "It is". And one does not just say not to compare SU with other things and then imediatly compare it to anime.

      THIS 

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Honestly, you are just saying "Timeline is bad because it's not how I think it should be"  and everything we say about you, you claim as "Nonsense", "Poor excuse" or "crap".
      it is, all of t.

      your just saying all of that stuff because you want to preserve your precious canon no matter how inconsistent it is.


      Well Anime Alternate histories are done far better than SU's?


      No, I'm saying this because your reasoning doesn't make sense.

      "It is, all of it" Why again? Because it's not how you want it to be?

      Also, quoting you there changing a bit: "screw ANIME, it has nothing to do with Su's timeline."

      Look, it's not about what you want it to be. It's not supposed to be a way just because you keep thinking it should be like this. Plus you can't just argue with someone saying "You are just doing that because you like the show" or with completaly bland answers like "It is". And one does not just say not to compare SU with other things and then imediatly compare it to anime.

      It's not that its not how i want it to be. it's just that its altrnate timeline doesnt make sense according to basic logic

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    • "Basic Logic"?


      SU is anything BUT logic. It's supposed to be a CARTOON, not a version of reality.

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    • GreenQueen1287 wrote:
      "Basic Logic"?


      SU is anything BUT logic. It's supposed to be a CARTOON, not a version of reality.

      you lost the argument. it still has logic, you must be referring to regular show

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      GreenQueen1287 wrote:
      "Basic Logic"?


      SU is anything BUT logic. It's supposed to be a CARTOON, not a version of reality.

      you lost the argument. it still has logic, you must be referring to regular show

      I know, I meant COMPLEX logic. 

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    • Yes, sentient talking rocks are logical, weapons of light coming from said rocks are logical, human/mineral hybrids, as well as giraffe/mineral hybrids are logical, pink lions that can walk on water and teleport are logical, lapis lazulis that can take the whole ocean away is logical, EVERYTHING IS SO LOGICAL IN SU.

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:
      Yes, sentient talking rocks are logical, weapons of light coming from said rocks are logical, human/mineral hybrids, as well as giraffe/mineral hybrids are logical, pink lions that can walk on water and teleport are logical, lapis lazulis that can take the whole ocean away is logical, EVERYTHING IS SO LOGICAL IN SU.

      Exactly.

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      GreenQueen1287 wrote:
      "Basic Logic"?


      SU is anything BUT logic. It's supposed to be a CARTOON, not a version of reality.

      you lost the argument. it still has logic, you must be referring to regular show

      SU has always had faulty logic. That's why one of the basis to enjoy the show is suspending your disbelief.

      The moment you wholly apply real world logic to the show, you already lost the argument.

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:
      Yes, sentient talking rocks are logical, weapons of light coming from said rocks are logical, human/mineral hybrids, as well as giraffe/mineral hybrids are logical, pink lions that can walk on water and teleport are logical, lapis lazulis that can take the whole ocean away is logical, EVERYTHING IS SO LOGICAL IN SU.

      The gems are possibly two things:

      Energy beings or Sillicon based organisms.

      most likely both and that's logical enough

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:
      Yes, sentient talking rocks are logical, weapons of light coming from said rocks are logical, human/mineral hybrids, as well as giraffe/mineral hybrids are logical, pink lions that can walk on water and teleport are logical, lapis lazulis that can take the whole ocean away is logical, EVERYTHING IS SO LOGICAL IN SU.
      The gems are possibly two things:

      Energy beings or Sillicon based organisms.

      most likely both and that's logical enough

      Why didn't you say anything about anything else I said?

      And they're beings of pure light

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    • But Gamecube can't exist without the third reich.

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:
      Yes, sentient talking rocks are logical, weapons of light coming from said rocks are logical, human/mineral hybrids, as well as giraffe/mineral hybrids are logical, pink lions that can walk on water and teleport are logical, lapis lazulis that can take the whole ocean away is logical, EVERYTHING IS SO LOGICAL IN SU.
      The gems are possibly two things:

      Energy beings or Sillicon based organisms.

      most likely both and that's logical enough

      Why didn't you say anything about anything else I said?

      And they're beings of pure light

      that's what energy beings are described as. 

      That and the combination of a gemstones indicated Energy beingsillicon based lifeform hybrid

      anymore childish resonings?

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:
      Yes, sentient talking rocks are logical, weapons of light coming from said rocks are logical, human/mineral hybrids, as well as giraffe/mineral hybrids are logical, pink lions that can walk on water and teleport are logical, lapis lazulis that can take the whole ocean away is logical, EVERYTHING IS SO LOGICAL IN SU.
      The gems are possibly two things:

      Energy beings or Sillicon based organisms.

      most likely both and that's logical enough

      We're literally just talking about a show with rocks going on adventures. That's about as much logic as it was intended.

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    • Hahaha. And here I thought you were actually being logical. Pfffttttt.

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:
      Yes, sentient talking rocks are logical, weapons of light coming from said rocks are logical, human/mineral hybrids, as well as giraffe/mineral hybrids are logical, pink lions that can walk on water and teleport are logical, lapis lazulis that can take the whole ocean away is logical, EVERYTHING IS SO LOGICAL IN SU.
      The gems are possibly two things:

      Energy beings or Sillicon based organisms.

      most likely both and that's logical enough

      Why didn't you say anything about anything else I said?

      And they're beings of pure light

      that's what energy beings are described as. 

      That and the combination of a gemstones indicated Emergy beingsillicon based lifeform hybrid

      You know, I said more things than "Yes, sentient talking rocks are logical"...

      Plus, that's sci-fi, not science

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    • I'm out of te conversation now. 

      everyone here is too stupid to even reason with

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      I'm out of te conversation now. 

      everyone here is too stupid to even reason with

      Really? That's your ending sentence? Just because we're not sharing YOUR views doesn't mean we're stupid.

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      I'm out of te conversation now. 

      everyone here is too stupid to even reason with

      How ironic.

      If you can logically explain how a being based on energy and silicon can exist in the real world using real world science (physics, mathematics, biology, chemistry, etc). Then maybe will think of you more than just a babbling idiotic bigot.

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    • Please be respectful to other users.

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      everyone here is too stupid to even reason with

      ...bruh

      /facepalms

      And this, class, is "Trollius Actsliketheyrethesmartest". It is common in the deserts of Trolland.

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    • Twizzzler wrote: Please be respectful to other users.

      You guys.

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    • Twizzzler wrote:
      Please be respectful to other users.

      Arguing with this type of person is like arguing with a brick wall. No matter how much you argue and show points, you're still screaming at a brick wall.

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    • Iudexkoo wrote:
      Twizzzler wrote:
      Please be respectful to other users.
      Arguing with this type of person is like arguing with a brick wall. No matter how much you argue and show points, you're still screaming at a brick wall.

      Yep, pretty much.

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    • I like screaming at brick walls. They never get offended or anything. They've got hard skin.

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      I'm out of te conversation now. 

      everyone here is too stupid to even reason with

      Says the guy who spelled toa from bionicle wrong.

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    • Iudexkoo wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      I'm out of te conversation now. 

      everyone here is too stupid to even reason with

      How ironic.

      If you can logically explain how a being based on energy and silicon can exist in the real world using real world science (physics, mathematics, biology, chemistry, etc). Then maybe will think of you more than just a babbling idiotic bigot.

      the answer is acheivable beyond the grasp of science and technology at this current state.

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    • AelaDoodles wrote:
      My biggest problems with the show are actually Rose and Steven. As a character, I LOATHE Rose. Her motivations are selfish,

      wut. The Gem who gave up her home and position and risked her existence in a thousand-year war to liberate someone else's planet was motivated by selfishness?

      her deeds are usually unjustified, she murdered her superior and doomed her child to a motherless life. 

      She killed her superior, who was one of four leaders of an unbelievably oppressive society. We do not know yet whether the shattering of Pink Diamond happened in cold blood, in battle, or in some other circumstance.

      She literally could not have had a child, at least not a hybrid child (which seems to have been the goal) without giving up her existence. That would normally be considered selfless, not selfish.

      Steven, meanwhile, feels unrealistic. I understand he's supposed to be a happy caring loving person like his mom was- but Rose could be brutal, and stupid, and cruel.

      And Steven, among other things, has the potential to be better than Rose and not make the mistakes she made. Now you want him to have all the negative qualities you attribute to her?

      Also, he's a kid. Half the arc of the show comes in depicting his growth over time. We've just seen him learn that befriending the enemy doesn't work every time. Give him a chance.

      Everyone idiolizes Rose and looks down on Steven, when I believe it should be the other way around. Rose was crappy to Pearl, Greg, and Steven. Her son is all her kindness and none of her sharp edge. I want to see Steven be... mean. Be a warrior. And I want Rose to not be a "goddess" figure because she'd "dead".

      Steven has fought and will undoubtedly fight again, but I don't ever want to see him become "mean," unless it's just for an episode to learn a lesson. Even as he sheds his initial innocence and naivete, cruelty just doesn't seem to be part of his character.

      Rose is idolized precisely because her loved ones have been mourning her for fourteen years. The show is revealing that even she had flaws and made bad decisions. This is literally happening right now in the show. But those are the same things you complained about earlier.

      Also, I don't think anyone really "looks down on" Steven at this point. I mean, most of the people he interacts with are effectively his parents, so they're going to be inclined to see him as someone to be taught and protected, but both the audience and the characters have seen him grow in competence over the course of the show. His sitting in the captain's chair of the Roaming Eye at the end of "Bubbled" has been taken as a sign that he's growing into his future role as leader of the Crystal Gems.

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    • Towa12345 wrote:

      Iudexkoo wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      I'm out of te conversation now. 

      everyone here is too stupid to even reason with

      How ironic.

      If you can logically explain how a being based on energy and silicon can exist in the real world using real world science (physics, mathematics, biology, chemistry, etc). Then maybe will think of you more than just a babbling idiotic bigot.

      the answer is acheivable beyond the grasp of science and technology at this current state.

      FUTURE VISION

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    • Ed486 wrote:

      Towa12345 wrote:

      Iudexkoo wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      I'm out of te conversation now. 

      everyone here is too stupid to even reason with

      How ironic.

      If you can logically explain how a being based on energy and silicon can exist in the real world using real world science (physics, mathematics, biology, chemistry, etc). Then maybe will think of you more than just a babbling idiotic bigot.

      the answer is acheivable beyond the grasp of science and technology at this current state.
      FUTURE VISION

      foresight is the proper term, future vision is childish

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      foresight is the proper term, future vision is childish

        *inhales*

      boi

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      Chrome Quartz wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      Chrome Quartz wrote:
      I think now I'm actually more miffed that the Fandom is having a debate over alternate timelines and their "theoretical" implications, whilst we ignore science for 89% of the show and have magical polymorphic sentient rocks as the majority of major characters. 
      because it makes no sense for there to be no world wars yet technologies and inventions seen in the show were invented either durng or after the world wars.

      They make up stupid excuses that it was invented in peace times. In peace time the need and motivation to make those inventions would never exist. In times of war technology advances because there is a need and motivation to innovate. Keep in mind that many of the appliances we have started off as a military invention. Heck, SPAM was ration from WW2.

      No world wars would mean sunshine and rainbows, but many technologies seen being used by humans in the show would not have been invented since the motivation and need to make them would not exist.

      Even empires, monarchies, and superpowers from the turn of the century would still be in power had the world wars never occured. Russia would still be ruled by the tsars (yes there is still enough land for the place to exist), Kaiser Germany is still in power, and Imperial Japan would by this time, have conquered all of Asia and continued committing atrocities on cities IN Asia.

      Assuming any of those places even exist. This isn't our Earth, it's an earth from anouther dimension with its own history and stuff. 

      Plus you're completly ignoring the industrial revolution, which happened indipendently of any wars,m yet also maked a period of significant tecnological advancment. So yes, we invent stuff even without war. Sometimes it's slower, but othertimes war actually takes away from some field by completly exauhsting the udgets that would have paid for a different subset of inventions. 

      If that were the case Human civilization Earth shouldnt look lie how it's shown in sU. It should look radically different like everyone should be living in huts and wearing skimpy tribal outfits speaking in a wierd language that has to be subtitled constantly.

      But the more recent inventions we have originally started off as some kind of military hardware. Heck rockets wouldnt have been improved had there been no desire to make a faster missile to kill your enemies. and may i remind you that helicopters were also being developed n the early 40's. The motivation to advanced is driven by the need to find a way to gain the advantage over the enemy and end the war quicker.

      Yes Those countires still exist and your just brushing them off because of your shortsightedness and your unsopported facts.A similar flaw the crewniverse has.

      Like I said your reasoning is an excuse because when people settle in an age of peace they stagnate at a certain point of development. And if the world wars never occured, technology in 2010 in their timeline should look like some wierd steampunk/dieselpunk mishmash from 1910.

      There would be no smartphones or tablets because the transistor would never be invented leading to the development of the microchips and then the microprocessor. computers would still be the size of several rooms as opposed to being small.

      So yeah, there is no alternate (peacey) way for them to be discovered, so the only way for those inventions and breakthroughs to be made would be for a STAND-IN for the world wars to take place so that the motivation to make these inventions is still present.

      This is what i hate about the fandom when it comes to discussing about alternate timelines, they make up excuses for how something that is still their even though a precedent event never occured.

      you ending the argument that ti's just a cartoon means you lost my argument.

      seriously visit this site: http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/

      What if i told French fries was invented in WWI.

      like i said you and everyone else here say such things because of your black and white perception of war. or let me say this: WHAR!


      This can also apply to Homeowlrd's technological development. They advanced based on experiences from 5,000 years of wars with other civilizations.

      Agriculture wasn't the result of war. War is not the only driving factor in human society. 

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    • RnR

      My biggest issue with the show was all of the pointless whining and crying without anything being done about it. But thanks to season 3 and 4 forth actually having the characters do something about their problems other than sobbing, its all good.

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    • Chrome Quartz wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      Chrome Quartz wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      Chrome Quartz wrote:
      I think now I'm actually more miffed that the Fandom is having a debate over alternate timelines and their "theoretical" implications, whilst we ignore science for 89% of the show and have magical polymorphic sentient rocks as the majority of major characters. 
      because it makes no sense for there to be no world wars yet technologies and inventions seen in the show were invented either durng or after the world wars.

      They make up stupid excuses that it was invented in peace times. In peace time the need and motivation to make those inventions would never exist. In times of war technology advances because there is a need and motivation to innovate. Keep in mind that many of the appliances we have started off as a military invention. Heck, SPAM was ration from WW2.

      No world wars would mean sunshine and rainbows, but many technologies seen being used by humans in the show would not have been invented since the motivation and need to make them would not exist.

      Even empires, monarchies, and superpowers from the turn of the century would still be in power had the world wars never occured. Russia would still be ruled by the tsars (yes there is still enough land for the place to exist), Kaiser Germany is still in power, and Imperial Japan would by this time, have conquered all of Asia and continued committing atrocities on cities IN Asia.

      Assuming any of those places even exist. This isn't our Earth, it's an earth from anouther dimension with its own history and stuff. 

      Plus you're completly ignoring the industrial revolution, which happened indipendently of any wars,m yet also maked a period of significant tecnological advancment. So yes, we invent stuff even without war. Sometimes it's slower, but othertimes war actually takes away from some field by completly exauhsting the udgets that would have paid for a different subset of inventions. 

      If that were the case Human civilization Earth shouldnt look lie how it's shown in sU. It should look radically different like everyone should be living in huts and wearing skimpy tribal outfits speaking in a wierd language that has to be subtitled constantly.

      But the more recent inventions we have originally started off as some kind of military hardware. Heck rockets wouldnt have been improved had there been no desire to make a faster missile to kill your enemies. and may i remind you that helicopters were also being developed n the early 40's. The motivation to advanced is driven by the need to find a way to gain the advantage over the enemy and end the war quicker.

      Yes Those countires still exist and your just brushing them off because of your shortsightedness and your unsopported facts.A similar flaw the crewniverse has.

      Like I said your reasoning is an excuse because when people settle in an age of peace they stagnate at a certain point of development. And if the world wars never occured, technology in 2010 in their timeline should look like some wierd steampunk/dieselpunk mishmash from 1910.

      There would be no smartphones or tablets because the transistor would never be invented leading to the development of the microchips and then the microprocessor. computers would still be the size of several rooms as opposed to being small.

      So yeah, there is no alternate (peacey) way for them to be discovered, so the only way for those inventions and breakthroughs to be made would be for a STAND-IN for the world wars to take place so that the motivation to make these inventions is still present.

      This is what i hate about the fandom when it comes to discussing about alternate timelines, they make up excuses for how something that is still their even though a precedent event never occured.

      you ending the argument that ti's just a cartoon means you lost my argument.

      seriously visit this site: http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/

      What if i told French fries was invented in WWI.

      like i said you and everyone else here say such things because of your black and white perception of war. or let me say this: WHAR!


      This can also apply to Homeowlrd's technological development. They advanced based on experiences from 5,000 years of wars with other civilizations.

      Agriculture wasn't the result of war. War is not the only driving factor in human society. 

      i'm talking about technological advancement in the 20th century.

      it gives no right to say that humanity can control themselves from warring with each orther. regardless, I will defiantly go against matt burnett's statement and will assume that the world wars continued to happen.

      they wouldnt advance in peacetime because it would be utterly pointless if there is no need or demand.

      nobody in peacetime is going to waste resources and time on developing rockets with no incentives of going into space, nor would they waste time developing an otherwise dangerous jet engine.

      the modern world of SU would be far less advanced than shown in the series. probably resembling daily life in the eraly 1900s.

      They choose that idiotic decision because they want to make humans in the show look like marysues who would never hurt a fly.

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    • Even without war technology would still advance. 

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    • Chrome Quartz wrote:
      Even without war technology would still advance. 

      As long as there are differences we cant avoid war.

      Were not Mary sues

      It advances FASTER in war 

      so what century is Su suppose to be in huh? the 31st Century? 

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    • Towa12345 wrote:

      They choose that idiotic decision because they want to make humans in the show look like marysues who would never hurt a fly.

      They never claimed there have been no human wars, or even no wars in the 20th century. They claimed that the world wars we know didn't happen in the SU-verse.

      The SU timeline diverged from our own a minimum of six thousand years ago. If you want to rant about the timeline being unrealistic, rant about the existence of any recognizable society from our Earth, not just about the World Wars. They also don't have Halloween or Christmas (which possibly implies that Christianity never became dominant, which has all kinds of knock-on effects) and at least one part of the east coast of North America was only settled some 200 years ago. Those are far bigger divergences than the world wars, and you're worried about rockets and transistors?

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    • Mazinderan wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      They choose that idiotic decision because they want to make humans in the show look like marysues who would never hurt a fly.
      They never claimed there have been no human wars, or even no wars in the 20th century. They claimed that the world wars we know didn't happen in the SU-verse.

      The SU timeline diverged from our own a minimum of six thousand years ago. If you want to rant about the timeline being unrealistic, rant about the existence of any recognizable society from our Earth, not just about the World Wars. They also don't have Halloween or Christmas (which possibly implies that Christianity never became dominant, which has all kinds of knock-on effects) and at least one part of the east coast of North America was only settled some 200 years ago. Those are far bigger divergences than the world wars, and you're worried about rockets and transistors?

      no holidays = No religion = Atheism 

      Halloween is pagan

      SU made atheism a world religion


      They also removed religion because they think that humanity is better off without it or because Rebecca sugar is an Atheist yet religion is INTEGRAL in cultural development.

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    • (I broadly agree with you that the Crewniverse had little interest in working out a rigorous, coherent alternate timeline, but you are fixating on one thing and beating it into the ground, and being terribly rude to other people while you are doing it.)

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    • Mazinderan wrote:
      (I broadly agree with you that the Crewniverse had little interest in working out a rigorous, coherent alternate timeline, but you are fixating on one thing and beating it into the ground, and being terribly rude to other people while you are doing it.)

      because too many people try t make in-universe excuses.

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      Iudexkoo wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      I'm out of te conversation now. 

      everyone here is too stupid to even reason with

      How ironic.

      If you can logically explain how a being based on energy and silicon can exist in the real world using real world science (physics, mathematics, biology, chemistry, etc). Then maybe will think of you more than just a babbling idiotic bigot.

      the answer is acheivable beyond the grasp of science and technology at this current state.

      Aka I can't explain it so you guys have to take my word for it.

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    • Towa12345 wrote:

      no holidays = No religion = Atheism 

      Halloween is pagan

      SU made atheism a world religion

      They also removed religion because they think that humanity is better off without it or because Rebecca sugar is an Atheist yet religion is INTEGRAL in cultural development.


      IIRC there has been no statement that atheism is dominant in the SU-verse, merely that two specific holidays (that happen to have religious roots) don't exist.

      Also, tha'ts seriously all you saw in my post that was worthy of comment?

      "Halloween" by that name (much like "Christmas" by that name) is Christian. It's the Eve of All Hallows, the night before All Saints Day on November 1. Like most Christian holidays, it inherited customs and practices from pre-existing pagan holidays around the same time on the calendar, but it wouldn't be called Halloween without Christianity.

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    • Mazinderan wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      no holidays = No religion = Atheism 

      Halloween is pagan

      SU made atheism a world religion

      They also removed religion because they think that humanity is better off without it or because Rebecca sugar is an Atheist yet religion is INTEGRAL in cultural development.


      IIRC there has been no statement that atheism is dominant in the SU-verse, merely that two specific holidays (that happen to have religious roots) don't exist.

      Also, tha'ts seriously all you saw in my post that was worthy of comment?

      "Halloween" by that name (much like "Christmas" by that name) is Christian. It's the Eve of All Hallows, the night before All Saints Day on November 1. Like most Christian holidays, it inherited customs and practices from pre-existing pagan holidays around the same time on the calendar, but it wouldn't be called Halloween without Christianity.

      ronaldo Mentioned Jews a couple of times in his blogs meaning that both Judaism and Atheism are the dominant religions of SU.

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    • Finally, my time to shine!

      The largest problem with Steven Universe is the existence of Lapis Lazuli.

      No, I'm not trolling. Let's start off with her second episode.

      In Ocean Gem, Lapis Lazuli should have caused two global apocalypses by any interpretation of logic. And don't respond with "Well the show doesn't have to be logical" because this is inexcusable and of a much, much bigger magnitude than anyone else seems to realize.

      First things first. She raised the entire Earth ocean out of the seabed and into the sky. Seeing as there aren't any boats floating around on top of the water pillars, Lapis Lazuli just killed hundreds of thousands of people at the very least. There are approximately three hundred thousand people on cruise ships out on the ocean on average, and that's just cruises! Not fishing boats, people boating for fun, or whatever. Those people just fell an extremely long way down to the bottom of the riverbed. Also, she just wreaked havoc on the entire ocean's ecosystem, raising billions of fish extremely quickly into a relatively tight space. And we don't even have to count the huge amount that probably died from shock. From the amount of time Lapis held up the ocean and the lack of large fish in the pillar, it's 100% the case that Lapis killed every single whale on Earth, as well as a large amount of other large fish. There are also predators and prey right next to each other, causing a huge food chain disruption. The mixing of the aquatic zones would also introduce fish to each other that were never meant to meet. Now every single square inch of the ocean is bathed in light, whereas the vast majority of the ocean is generally constantly in darkness. This can't bode well for at least some species, if not a huge amount of them.

      Not even mentioning how Steven should have cancer and high-level radiation burns from being at the top of the pillar.

      Or what effects the displacement of that amount of water would have on the Earth's gravity.

      Second global apocalypse: When she let the water back down! It was super sudden! That's not how water works! No no no! Massive tsunamis in approximately everywhere! And all those humans who are now at the bottom of the ocean who didn't die already? Yep, drowned. But I digress back to the gargantuan amount of damage that Lapis should have caused to the entire world. Smaller islands around the area should be literally buried in water. Huge tsunamis would strike approximately everywhere with very little warning. Millions more people would die! Tons and tons of property and infrastructure damage! To put this into perspective, most tsunamis are essentially ocean ripples caused by small earthquakes. LAPIS IS DROPPING THE ENTIRE OCEAN FROM MILES UP DIRECTLY DOWN ONTO EARTH. Towns would be destroyed. Miles inland would be flooded. Millions and millions of deaths should have happened.

      But they didn't because in essence the writers just made basic physics vanish so that we could have a character.

      Next point: Lapis is a vastly, vastly overpowered character. To a huge degree. She was able to manipulate over one point one trillion gallons of water, not even sloppily, to her exact wishes. She generated multiple water clones of the Crystal Gems and fought all of them at the exact same time better than the Crystal Gems themselves. And she did this from miles above them. And she performed all of that with her gem hugely fractured. The only other time we've seen a gem cracked is Amethyst, and not only was her gem barely even scratched compared to Lapis', she wasn't even able to maintain a form loosely or talk correctly! And Lapis did all of that plus control the entire ocean plus fight every single Crystal Gem at the same time from a huge distance. Imagine what amazing abilities she could possibly have with her full gem! Lapis. Is. Overpowered.

      And my next point, tying directly out of that. Lapis doesn't even care that she's overpowered! She gives not one rat's fart of her extreme power. She's been in many, many situations where she could have won a fight using only a fraction of the power she used to raise the whole ocean. Powers she could use! And that's what drives me completely insane! She definitely could have lowered the ocean slowly, lifting each and every living human to shore. I have no doubt about it considering the scope of her cracked-gem ability. She just DIDN'T! She thanked Steven, and then flew away, completely uncaring of the fact that he would have died if not for Connie and Lion being there. Remember where the Crystal Gems and Lapis were all captured by Jasper and Peridot? Do you remember where they were when the losing fight happened? ON A BEACH. SURROUNDED. BY. WATER. Yet she was playing the scared and helpless victim when she very easily could have gotten permanently rid of Jasper and Peridot with what amounts to a flick of her finger. But she didn't? Why? Who knows! She could have! Very very easily! She then proceeded to do the exact same thing on the ship. "Oh boo hoo we can't fight them they're too strong". You could probably reach a water arm up into space and pull the ship back down if you wanted! You just don't! She then fuses with Jasper in order to pull her under the water, and just puts some weird water chains around Malachite. Like, you're not fooling anyone! Those water chains are like Arceus himself putting a little ring next to a rampaging Regigigas and saying "yup, that's all I can do". She had the ability to trap Jasper under the ocean WITHOUT fusing with her! Seriously, just pull her under with the extreme power you hold in her gem! YOU CAN DO THAT! She flicked a Ruby ship out of the air in seconds but did nothing after that. Zero attempts at fighting, even though she would be amazing at it. She punched a hole through the S.S. Misery instead of doing LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE with the TRILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER AROUND HER.

      My next point is that Lapis is a horrible, horrible character. Besides doing actions that should have caused two global apocalypses without further thought, she thanked Steven, who healed her and allowed her to go away to Homeworld without stealing the ocean, by leaving him to die! If it hadn't been for Connie and Lion, he would have been a Steven pancake on the ocean floor. One of her only good actions is warning the CGs that Jasper and Peridot are coming. She just neglects the five Gems (six including herself) who have been captured when she COULD just have prevented it or undone it with barely any effort at all. She, after unfusing with Lapis, proceeds to be horrid to a reformed Peridot. For firsts, she doesn't even know anything that Peridot's done! She doesn't know about the murder attempts. She just knows that the Peridot captured her once and she was freed. But suddenly her life debt is against Peridot for not much reason other than that, which is especially ludicrous considering Peridot repeatedly says she's changed and recovered from who she used to be. She even takes Peridot's single hope and thread to which she tethers in order to stay sane, her recorder, and crushes it with her bare hand. And then only a few episodes later, with no recovery time at all, she's suddenly chummy chum chum happy blue girl best pals with Stevie and Peridoot who watch cool TV shows together. Haheh! What a quirky but lovable new sassy character. No. No no no no no. Oh, and also she uncaringly sinks the S.S. Misery instead of doing anything else.

      Also. She only exists to forward the plot. That's it. That's all her actions are. She's a super apathetic possible god who doesn't care about her powers... but she somehow mustered up enough emotion to decide to use the entirety of the ocean to try to get back to Homeworld, a planet which apparently captured her, treated her like dirt, and sent her back as soon as she got there. But other causes, like Steven's life or the threat of Homeworld attacking? Nah, those just aren't worth it. She has the ability and the critical thinking necessary to just trap Jasper under the water, but she doesn't. Why? So we can have a Malafight later on. She knocks the Rubyship out of the air so the Rubies can be an enemy later, but doesn't fight them at all afterwards because she would be too strong and defeat them easily. If she approached everything rationally, the CGs' problems would NOT EXIST because their POSEIDON WATER GOD FRIEND MERCILESSLY DECIMATED THEM. But that doesn't happen because then there would be no plot to Steven Universe.

      I conclude my post for now. There was another point I was going to put in but I appear to have forgotten it.

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    • Lapis turning from being unenthusiastic and bored
      Hit the Diamond HD 097
      to being nice and friendly
      Alone at Sea 080
      then going back to being unenthusiastic and bored again.
      Beta 119
      I don't know why but it just...seem so sudden and a bit out of character to me. Or is it just how they drew her? Oh, and maybe they can make Connie more interesting by giving her more episodes?
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    • TheShootingStar wrote:

      Lapis turning from being unenthusiastic and bored
      Hit the Diamond HD 097
      to being nice and friendly
      Alone at Sea 080
      then going back to being unenthusiastic and bored again. I don't know why but it just...seem so sudden and a bit out of character to me. Oh, and maybe they can make Connie more interesting by giving her more episodes?

      Oh yeah. That's what it was. Her entire character changes wildly around depending on what the plot needs.

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    • tl; dr

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    • Towa12345 wrote:

      Ed486 wrote:

      Towa12345 wrote:

      Iudexkoo wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      I'm out of te conversation now. 

      everyone here is too stupid to even reason with

      How ironic.

      If you can logically explain how a being based on energy and silicon can exist in the real world using real world science (physics, mathematics, biology, chemistry, etc). Then maybe will think of you more than just a babbling idiotic bigot.

      the answer is acheivable beyond the grasp of science and technology at this current state.
      FUTURE VISION

      foresight is the proper term, future vision is childish

      lolno

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      foresight is the proper term, future vision is childish

      Foresight is generally used to describe the mundane trait of thinking ahead.

      Precognition is the usual word for supernaturally seeing the future.

      Garnet likes to say "future vision," though, and she's the one who has it.

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    • Mazinderan wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      foresight is the proper term, future vision is childish
      Foresight is generally used to describe the mundane trait of thinking ahead.

      Precognition is the usual word for supernaturally seeing the future.

      Garnet likes to say "future vision," though, and she's the one who has it.

      but "future vision" sounds so childish. Precognition should have been the proper word.

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    • Why everything you try to insult you say it's "Childish"?

      And didn't you say you left the conversation?

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Why everything you try to insult you say it's "Childish"?

      And didn't you say you left the conversation?

      i know right ?

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      Mazinderan wrote:
      (I broadly agree with you that the Crewniverse had little interest in working out a rigorous, coherent alternate timeline, but you are fixating on one thing and beating it into the ground, and being terribly rude to other people while you are doing it.)
      because too many people try t make in-universe excuses.

      ...so because people are debating against you, you think you should be rude to them? Not everyone is going to agree with you and just leave what you say for granted.

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      Mazinderan wrote:
      (I broadly agree with you that the Crewniverse had little interest in working out a rigorous, coherent alternate timeline, but you are fixating on one thing and beating it into the ground, and being terribly rude to other people while you are doing it.)
      because too many people try t make in-universe excuses.
      ...so because people are debating against you, you think you should be rude to them? Not everyone is going to agree with you and just leave what you say for granted.

      i have to be rude because i keep thinking everyone in this wiki has the same amount of naivety and immaturity as the titular protagonist of this series

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    • @Towa

      I thought you left the conversation......surprise surprise you're back just to try to get everyone to agree with you and cause drama.

      We're not trying to make in universe excuses. I dont know if WWII happened in universe and I dont care, i watch SU to be entertained, not to try to figure out a huge alternate timeline. We're not naive and immature either. (well the tumblr fans are but not us)

      Just because we dont agree with you doesnt give you a right to be rude to people.

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    • The show's alternate timeline is 100% accurate.

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      Chrome Quartz wrote:
      Even without war technology would still advance. 
      As long as there are differences we cant avoid war.

      Were not Mary sues

      It advances FASTER in war 

      so what century is Su suppose to be in huh? the 31st Century? 

      Sure? I mean the planet isn't even geographically the same as earth, so an alternate timeline where humans made slower advances while also not waring or creating religion is totally reasonable.

      But the point I really want to make is that Humans fought in the Gem war! Humans fought in the gem war. Maybe the fact that a war five or six thousand years ago cost the lives of humans could indicate that human progression in this timeline is vastly altered? So much so that we've never had a world war because of any number of reasons. 

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      Mazinderan wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      foresight is the proper term, future vision is childish
      Foresight is generally used to describe the mundane trait of thinking ahead.

      Precognition is the usual word for supernaturally seeing the future.

      Garnet likes to say "future vision," though, and she's the one who has it.

      but "future vision" sounds so childish. Precognition should have been the proper word.

      She used a childish word to describe it to a child. How unfathomable. God those writers are so dumb for making realistic word choices for their characters. 

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    • SadGhoster87 wrote:

      TheShootingStar wrote:

      Lapis turning from being unenthusiastic and bored
      Hit the Diamond HD 097
      to being nice and friendly
      Alone at Sea 080
      then going back to being unenthusiastic and bored again. I don't know why but it just...seem so sudden and a bit out of character to me. Oh, and maybe they can make Connie more interesting by giving her more episodes?
      Oh yeah. That's what it was. Her entire character changes wildly around depending on what the plot needs.

      Connie suffers from the same kind of mood swings I think. 

      Though you could defend lapis by saying she changes with the tides. XD pardon that pun

      I think two faced characters aren't impossible, but Lapis changes for arbitrary reasons instead of in show reasons which is sloppy to say the least. 

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    • Mazinderan wrote:
      (I broadly agree with you that the Crewniverse had little interest in working out a rigorous, coherent alternate timeline, but you are fixating on one thing and beating it into the ground, and being terribly rude to other people while you are doing it.)

      Why would you make an earth timeline for a show about aliens? As long as they have a well build gem timeline the human timeline is unimportant. 

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      Iudexkoo wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      I'm out of te conversation now. 

      everyone here is too stupid to even reason with

      How ironic.

      If you can logically explain how a being based on energy and silicon can exist in the real world using real world science (physics, mathematics, biology, chemistry, etc). Then maybe will think of you more than just a babbling idiotic bigot.

      the answer is acheivable beyond the grasp of science and technology at this current state.

      The answer is impossible in our dimention, regardless of how advanced your science is. It's litterally magic. 

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    • Ed486 wrote:
      The show's alternate timeline is 100% accurate.

      no it isn't it doesnt and shouldnt even make sense

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    • Chrome Quartz wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      Iudexkoo wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      I'm out of te conversation now. 

      everyone here is too stupid to even reason with

      How ironic.

      If you can logically explain how a being based on energy and silicon can exist in the real world using real world science (physics, mathematics, biology, chemistry, etc). Then maybe will think of you more than just a babbling idiotic bigot.

      the answer is acheivable beyond the grasp of science and technology at this current state.
      The answer is impossible in our dimention, regardless of how advanced your science is. It's litterally magic. 

      it's not magic when such beings exist in theory

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    • Chrome Quartz wrote:
      Mazinderan wrote:
      (I broadly agree with you that the Crewniverse had little interest in working out a rigorous, coherent alternate timeline, but you are fixating on one thing and beating it into the ground, and being terribly rude to other people while you are doing it.)
      Why would you make an earth timeline for a show about aliens? As long as they have a well build gem timeline the human timeline is unimportant. 

      because you rejected your own humanity Chrome.

      Independence Day: resurgence made an alternate timeline that involved aliens and made sense.


      realistically speaking one gem war isnt going to make humans pacifists and atheists for 5,000 years and TBH it's unrealistic unless your an idealist.

      To be realistic they still would be wars ever since.


      as long as there are differences, as long as there are ideologies and as long as there's not enough resources, there will always be way. not all of us are going to be nicey nicey folk in a world full of rainbows and sunshine with no war and religion. We war for survival, we war to perserve ideologies, we war for glory.


      The crewniverse just made a lazy nonsensical alternate timeline that doesnt make sense at all, just accept it.

      I've seen better alternate timelines, and none of the modern boundaries are intact. usually the countries are given wildly different names rather than using nicknames of reald world countires and states.

      those who say rockets were invented in epacetime should wonder why they even need them in the first place. surely they would be in so much prosperity that they wont show interest in going to space.

      yes the alternate human timeline is one massive continuity error, PERIOD.

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    • Chrome Quartz wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      Chrome Quartz wrote:
      Even without war technology would still advance. 
      As long as there are differences we cant avoid war.

      Were not Mary sues

      It advances FASTER in war 

      so what century is Su suppose to be in huh? the 31st Century? 

      Sure? I mean the planet isn't even geographically the same as earth, so an alternate timeline where humans made slower advances while also not waring or creating religion is totally reasonable.

      But the point I really want to make is that Humans fought in the Gem war! Humans fought in the gem war. Maybe the fact that a war five or six thousand years ago cost the lives of humans could indicate that human progression in this timeline is vastly altered? So much so that we've never had a world war because of any number of reasons. 

      So humans in this timeline are mary sues who did no wrong? True weaklings with no weapons of mass destruction to protect them? Now this really is going to be a problem for fnfic writers like me. so disregard what the crewniverse says because they don't know what they are saying and they constrict worldbuilding for the human world of SU.

      just get real, how are the boundaries of several real life countries intact then?

      Face it Chrome, the crewniverse had no interest in making a coherent and rigorous timeline because they reject their own kind

      how about they reboot the entire show so that Su's present is more tribal and underdeveloped with every human in the show being as dumb as rocks and wearing little to no clothing.

      you sound like a hippie chrome

      Also you never went into anthropology or humanities to undeerstand human development

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    • Towa12345 wrote:

      Ed486 wrote:
      The show's alternate timeline is 100% accurate.

      no it isn't it doesnt and shouldnt even make sense

      Yes it is they researched it carefully and tested.

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    • My issue is there is no masculine Gems. Closest thing for me is Ruby, but she acts like a female despite the manly look.

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      Mazinderan wrote:
      (I broadly agree with you that the Crewniverse had little interest in working out a rigorous, coherent alternate timeline, but you are fixating on one thing and beating it into the ground, and being terribly rude to other people while you are doing it.)
      because too many people try t make in-universe excuses.
      ...so because people are debating against you, you think you should be rude to them? Not everyone is going to agree with you and just leave what you say for granted.
      i have to be rude because i keep thinking everyone in this wiki has the same amount of naivety and immaturity as the titular protagonist of this series

      ....aka, "I have to be rude because I feel like it"

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    • Towa, your behavior is not welcome here on the Steven Universe Wiki.

      To everyone else, please ignore his rude messages now. If it happens again, please alert an administrator or forum moderator.

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    • Thanks Len 👍

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      Chrome Quartz wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      Iudexkoo wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      I'm out of te conversation now. 

      everyone here is too stupid to even reason with

      How ironic.

      If you can logically explain how a being based on energy and silicon can exist in the real world using real world science (physics, mathematics, biology, chemistry, etc). Then maybe will think of you more than just a babbling idiotic bigot.

      the answer is acheivable beyond the grasp of science and technology at this current state.
      The answer is impossible in our dimention, regardless of how advanced your science is. It's litterally magic. 
      it's not magic when such beings exist in theory

      It doesn't exist in theory though, it's impossible. This show has completly bunk physics and impossibilities all the freaking time. It's definitly not our universe. 

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    • Ed486 wrote:

      Towa12345 wrote:

      Ed486 wrote:
      The show's alternate timeline is 100% accurate.
      no it isn't it doesnt and shouldnt even make sense
      Yes it is they researched it carefully and tested.

      I really really doubt that. 

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    • Towa12345 wrote:
      Chrome Quartz wrote:
      Mazinderan wrote:
      (I broadly agree with you that the Crewniverse had little interest in working out a rigorous, coherent alternate timeline, but you are fixating on one thing and beating it into the ground, and being terribly rude to other people while you are doing it.)
      Why would you make an earth timeline for a show about aliens? As long as they have a well build gem timeline the human timeline is unimportant. 
      because you rejected your own humanity Chrome.

      Independence Day: resurgence made an alternate timeline that involved aliens and made sense.


      realistically speaking one gem war isnt going to make humans pacifists and atheists for 5,000 years and TBH it's unrealistic unless your an idealist.

      To be realistic they still would be wars ever since.


      as long as there are differences, as long as there are ideologies and as long as there's not enough resources, there will always be way. not all of us are going to be nicey nicey folk in a world full of rainbows and sunshine with no war and religion. We war for survival, we war to perserve ideologies, we war for glory.


      The crewniverse just made a lazy nonsensical alternate timeline that doesnt make sense at all, just accept it.

      I've seen better alternate timelines, and none of the modern boundaries are intact. usually the countries are given wildly different names rather than using nicknames of reald world countires and states.

      those who say rockets were invented in epacetime should wonder why they even need them in the first place. surely they would be in so much prosperity that they wont show interest in going to space.

      yes the alternate human timeline is one massive continuity error, PERIOD.

      I want to argue that it isn't an alternate timeline, but a new world that they just called earth for convenience. 

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            • I just realized I've been debating with a troll and now I feel dumb for wasting my time. 
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    • Chrome Quartz wrote:
      Towa12345 wrote:
      Chrome Quartz wrote:
      Mazinderan wrote:
      (I broadly agree with you that the Crewniverse had little interest in working out a rigorous, coherent alternate timeline, but you are fixating on one thing and beating it into the ground, and being terribly rude to other people while you are doing it.)
      Why would you make an earth timeline for a show about aliens? As long as they have a well build gem timeline the human timeline is unimportant. 
      because you rejected your own humanity Chrome.

      Independence Day: resurgence made an alternate timeline that involved aliens and made sense.


      realistically speaking one gem war isnt going to make humans pacifists and atheists for 5,000 years and TBH it's unrealistic unless your an idealist.

      To be realistic they still would be wars ever since.


      as long as there are differences, as long as there are ideologies and as long as there's not enough resources, there will always be way. not all of us are going to be nicey nicey folk in a world full of rainbows and sunshine with no war and religion. We war for survival, we war to perserve ideologies, we war for glory.


      The crewniverse just made a lazy nonsensical alternate timeline that doesnt make sense at all, just accept it.

      I've seen better alternate timelines, and none of the modern boundaries are intact. usually the countries are given wildly different names rather than using nicknames of reald world countires and states.

      those who say rockets were invented in epacetime should wonder why they even need them in the first place. surely they would be in so much prosperity that they wont show interest in going to space.

      yes the alternate human timeline is one massive continuity error, PERIOD.

      I want to argue that it isn't an alternate timeline, but a new world that they just called earth for convenience. 

      yes it is and the crewniverse is bad at making one. 

      I've seen better alternate timelines and parallel worlds made by people who CARE about continuity in the timeline

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    • I have a serious question. What year is Steven Universe set in?

      Also, towa, it's just a cartoon, for one. Unlike documentaries, the news, books like the Hobbit, or actually deep adult cartoons or shows like BoJack Horseman and Breaking Bad that deserve this form of overanalysis, no one cares at all to what continuity or quality of an alternate timeline or historical and geographical accuracy a kid-to-teen show has. It does not affect the plot in any way, it does not affect any of the universe's inhabitants in any way from what we have seen on the show, and it does not affect the entire point of the show: a coming-of-age story in the perspective of Steven Universe.

      The entire argument is invalid because it has no reason to exist other than to nitpick errors that will never be acknowledged or used as a plot device in the show despite being canon, if it even is canon and is not just something Matt came up with to shut the fans up (Maybe it was canon, but ideas have changed since the tweet).

      Either way, you have done enough, my man. You have stated your reasons (it's becoming redundant like the rest of this argument), and if people can't accept your speculation, then you can walk away and convince yourself you are right, which you probably have already. Otherwise, you can understand that these "stupid idiots" that "defend their precious canon" is the demographic this show attracts, not overly nitpicky, pretentious, self-absorbed assholes (Only assuming from the insults and public reputation. Feel free to prove me wrong,).

      Overall, can't we all just get along and end the argument? Thanks, dudes. Love you all.

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    • There is no argument, the timeline is accurate.

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    • Bearjedi wrote:
      My issue is there is no masculine Gems. Closest thing for me is Ruby, but she acts like a female despite the manly look.

      Bismuth looks masculine too. I would love to see a male gem, but too bad we will never get one.

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    • Cheeseskates wrote:
      I have a serious question. What year is Steven Universe set in?

      Also, towa, it's just a cartoon, for one. Unlike documentaries, the news, books like the Hobbit, or actually deep adult cartoons or shows like BoJack Horseman and Breaking Bad that deserve this form of overanalysis, no one cares at all to what continuity or quality of an alternate timeline or historical and geographical accuracy a kid-to-teen show has. It does not affect the plot in any way, it does not affect any of the universe's inhabitants in any way from what we have seen on the show, and it does not affect the entire point of the show: a coming-of-age story in the perspective of Steven Universe.

      The entire argument is invalid because it has no reason to exist other than to nitpick errors that will never be acknowledged or used as a plot device in the show despite being canon, if it even is canon and is not just something Matt came up with to shut the fans up (Maybe it was canon, but ideas have changed since the tweet).

      Either way, you have done enough, my man. You have stated your reasons (it's becoming redundant like the rest of this argument), and if people can't accept your speculation, then you can walk away and convince yourself you are right, which you probably have already. Otherwise, you can understand that these "stupid idiots" that "defend their precious canon" is the demographic this show attracts, not overly nitpicky, pretentious, self-absorbed assholes (Only assuming from the insults and public reputation. Feel free to prove me wrong,).

      Overall, can't we all just get along and end the argument? Thanks, dudes. Love you all.

      we cant rely on statements alone unless they flat out showed us. maybe the crewniverse changed their minds after realizing the logic and put comletely different wars to substitute the world wars

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    • Good thing this isn't  a full blown argument anymore...

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    • Towa12345 wrote:

      we cant rely on statements alone unless they flat out showed us. maybe the crewniverse changed their minds after realizing the logic and put comletely different wars to substitute the world wars

      Probably. That is what I have assumed as well. We will see when the show begins their own war :)

      GreenQueen1287 wrote:

      Good thing this isn't  a full blown argument anymore...

      That's nice.

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    • This might be my favorite thread honestly.

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    • TheShootingStar wrote:
      Lapis turning from being unenthusiastic and bored
      Hit the Diamond HD 097
      to being nice and friendly
      Alone at Sea 080
      then going back to being unenthusiastic and bored again.
      Beta 119
      I don't know why but it just...seem so sudden and a bit out of character to me. Or is it just how they drew her? Oh, and maybe they can make Connie more interesting by giving her more episodes?

      Well, there are these things called 'moods'. Lapis has consitently been happier when she's around Steven. 

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    • Fur Slippers wrote:

      TheShootingStar wrote:
      Lapis turning from being unenthusiastic and bored
      Hit the Diamond HD 097
      to being nice and friendly
      Alone at Sea 080
      then going back to being unenthusiastic and bored again.
      Beta 119
      I don't know why but it just...seem so sudden and a bit out of character to me. Or is it just how they drew her? Oh, and maybe they can make Connie more interesting by giving her more episodes?

      Well, there are these things called 'moods'. Lapis has consitently been happier when she's around Steven. 

      Yeah...and she was around Steven in "Beta" too. It's just that...her change in character is so sudden to me. Even though she is more emotional when she is introduced, it's like right after she realise that Peridot lives in the barn too, she just suddenly become...emotionless! And she certainly did not act that way after she got released from the mirror and Malachite. She is also much more expressive when dealing with Jasper!

      I think my issue is that Lapis is sometimes dead on the inside, sometimes not. Well I will understand if she is introduced as one who is dead on the inside and gradually becomes more lively. But this is like jumping back and forth again and again

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    • I think we need a reason for her personality being like occasionally deadpan and then uber emotional. Like we get reasons for everybody else's personality (Peri is just conforming to how hw wants her to act; amethyst hates herself because her living could've caused the earth to die and since she's incomplete, she doesn't know how she's supposed to act) and we never get it for lapis.

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    • TheShootingStar wrote:

      Fur Slippers wrote:

      TheShootingStar wrote:
      Lapis turning from being unenthusiastic and bored
      Hit the Diamond HD 097
      to being nice and friendly
      Alone at Sea 080
      then going back to being unenthusiastic and bored again.
      Beta 119
      I don't know why but it just...seem so sudden and a bit out of character to me. Or is it just how they drew her? Oh, and maybe they can make Connie more interesting by giving her more episodes?
      Well, there are these things called 'moods'. Lapis has consitently been happier when she's around Steven. 

      Yeah...and she was around Steven in "Beta" too. It's just that...her change in character is so sudden to me. Even though she is more emotional when she is introduced, it's like right after she realise that Peridot lives in the barn too, she just suddenly become...emotionless! And she certainly did not act that way after she got released from the mirror and Malachite. She is also much more expressive when dealing with Jasper!

      And? It makes sense for her to be more expressive dealing with Jasper. She was afraid of her, and then angry at her, and the situation she was in when she was in Jasper's presence (The Return/Jailbreak) were much more hectic and warranted a higher level of expressiveness and emotion. And of course, all that was before her traumatizing fusion with Jasper that she had to keep at the bottom of the ocean for months. 

      She's still healing, and she's not entirely trusting of Peridot. Her behavior makes sense.

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    • Fur Slippers wrote:

      TheShootingStar wrote:

      Fur Slippers wrote:

      TheShootingStar wrote:
      Lapis turning from being unenthusiastic and bored
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      to being nice and friendly
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      then going back to being unenthusiastic and bored again.
      Beta 119
      I don't know why but it just...seem so sudden and a bit out of character to me. Or is it just how they drew her? Oh, and maybe they can make Connie more interesting by giving her more episodes?
      Well, there are these things called 'moods'. Lapis has consitently been happier when she's around Steven. 

      Yeah...and she was around Steven in "Beta" too. It's just that...her change in character is so sudden to me. Even though she is more emotional when she is introduced, it's like right after she realise that Peridot lives in the barn too, she just suddenly become...emotionless! And she certainly did not act that way after she got released from the mirror and Malachite. She is also much more expressive when dealing with Jasper!

      And? It makes sense for her to be more expressive dealing with Jasper. She was afraid of her, and then angry at her, and the situation she was in when she was in Jasper's presence (The Return/Jailbreak) were much more hectic and warranted a higher level of expressiveness and emotion. And of course, all that was before her traumatizing fusion with Jasper that she had to keep at the bottom of the ocean for months. 

      She's still healing, and she's not entirely trusting of Peridot. Her behavior makes sense.

      Well it doesn't really make sense to me. Also, about "dealing with Jasper" I was talking about in "Alone at Sea", after she got released from Malachite. Sorry, I did not make myself clear enough. I just don't understand what exactly make her become emotionless sometimes and sometimes not.

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    • Well it doesn't really make sense to me. Also, about "dealing with Jasper" I was talking about in "Alone at Sea", after she got released from Malachite. Sorry, I did not make myself clear enough. I just don't understand what exactly make her become emotionless sometimes and sometimes not.

      Perhaps she thinks about Malachite too much that it lets herself get carried away and drain her of emotion. But there's always Peridot who's with her in the barn as her companion.

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    • ZelProd wrote: Hey... The show is called Steven Universe, what did you expect ? =P

      It's the plot of the show to see the evolution of Steven from a basically powerless and confused kid, to a full fleged Crystal Gem, and maybe even the new leader of the rebellion. The show was never about the story of Garnet, Pearl and Amethyst.... If it was the case, the show would have started at the Gem War and even before, it's just... that Steven learn about all thoses things and interract with all theses characters, so their problems and stories are brought about...

      But the focus is on Steven, his life is the plot of the show :D

      You Know, SpongeBob Squarepants doesn't have to be in every SpongeBob episode (or scene)

      Invader ZIM doesn't have to be in every scene of Invader ZIM

      Harvey Beaks isn't in every scene, Danny Phantom isn't in every scene, Darkwing Duck isn't in every scene, Samurai Jack isn't in every scene, Yadda Yadda Yadda....

      It's called Subplots.

      Let's look back to, say Drop Beat Dad. What did Steven Do here? Carry some things around for Sour Cream and growl at Marty. in terms of the episode? NOTHING!

      Lets say, for an example, we want two plots- one is Steven and Amethyst trying to.... make food for a bake sale or something. the second is Lapis and Peridot playing a game of chess. if you wanted to put the two of them together in one episode (because neither would make for an interesting episode on their own), you have two options:

      Start up a scene with the A-Team, have them start their "adventure", and when it gets to a good stopping point, transition to the B team.

      OR

      Start a scene with Steven and Amethyst making food- when it gets to a good stopping point, have Steven fall asleep and posess Peridot so the two of them can have their chess game, and then have Steven wake up so he can continue with Amethyst.

      Which sounds more reasonable to you?

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    • TheShootingStar wrote:.

      Well it doesn't really make sense to me. Also, about "dealing with Jasper" I was talking about in "Alone at Sea", after she got released from Malachite. Sorry, I did not make myself clear enough. I just don't understand what exactly make her become emotionless sometimes and sometimes not.

      Again, moods. 

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    • RidleyKraid187 wrote:

      ZelProd wrote: Hey... The show is called Steven Universe, what did you expect ? =P

      It's the plot of the show to see the evolution of Steven from a basically powerless and confused kid, to a full fleged Crystal Gem, and maybe even the new leader of the rebellion. The show was never about the story of Garnet, Pearl and Amethyst.... If it was the case, the show would have started at the Gem War and even before, it's just... that Steven learn about all thoses things and interract with all theses characters, so their problems and stories are brought about...

      But the focus is on Steven, his life is the plot of the show :D

      You Know, SpongeBob Squarepants doesn't have to be in every SpongeBob episode (or scene)

      Invader ZIM doesn't have to be in every scene of Invader ZIM

      Harvey Beaks isn't in every scene, Danny Phantom isn't in every scene, Darkwing Duck isn't in every scene, Samurai Jack isn't in every scene, Yadda Yadda Yadda....

      It's called Subplots.

      Let's look back to, say Drop Beat Dad. What did Steven Do here? Carry some things around for Sour Cream and growl at Marty. in terms of the episode? NOTHING!

      Lets say, for an example, we want two plots- one is Steven and Amethyst trying to.... make food for a bake sale or something. the second is Lapis and Peridot playing a game of chess. if you wanted to put the two of them together in one episode (because neither would make for an interesting episode on their own), you have two options:

      Start up a scene with the A-Team, have them start their "adventure", and when it gets to a good stopping point, transition to the B team.

      OR

      Start a scene with Steven and Amethyst making food- when it gets to a good stopping point, have Steven fall asleep and posess Peridot so the two of them can have their chess game, and then have Steven wake up so he can continue with Amethyst.

      Which sounds more reasonable to you?

      the show was meant to be from steven's perspective. Likely, we could get a subplot, as we have in other episodes (frybo, gem glow)

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    • Sookey5 wrote:

      RidleyKraid187 wrote:

      ZelProd wrote: Hey... The show is called Steven Universe, what did you expect ? =P

      It's the plot of the show to see the evolution of Steven from a basically powerless and confused kid, to a full fleged Crystal Gem, and maybe even the new leader of the rebellion. The show was never about the story of Garnet, Pearl and Amethyst.... If it was the case, the show would have started at the Gem War and even before, it's just... that Steven learn about all thoses things and interract with all theses characters, so their problems and stories are brought about...

      But the focus is on Steven, his life is the plot of the show :D

      You Know, SpongeBob Squarepants doesn't have to be in every SpongeBob episode (or scene)

      Invader ZIM doesn't have to be in every scene of Invader ZIM

      Harvey Beaks isn't in every scene, Danny Phantom isn't in every scene, Darkwing Duck isn't in every scene, Samurai Jack isn't in every scene, Yadda Yadda Yadda....

      It's called Subplots.

      Let's look back to, say Drop Beat Dad. What did Steven Do here? Carry some things around for Sour Cream and growl at Marty. in terms of the episode? NOTHING!

      Lets say, for an example, we want two plots- one is Steven and Amethyst trying to.... make food for a bake sale or something. the second is Lapis and Peridot playing a game of chess. if you wanted to put the two of them together in one episode (because neither would make for an interesting episode on their own), you have two options:

      Start up a scene with the A-Team, have them start their "adventure", and when it gets to a good stopping point, transition to the B team.

      OR

      Start a scene with Steven and Amethyst making food- when it gets to a good stopping point, have Steven fall asleep and posess Peridot so the two of them can have their chess game, and then have Steven wake up so he can continue with Amethyst.

      Which sounds more reasonable to you?

      the show was meant to be from steven's perspective. Likely, we could get a subplot, as we have in other episodes (frybo, gem glow)

      Okay- Answer me this: What is the benefit of the show being strictly from the perspective of one character? Why is it better that the show can only been seen from Steven's perspective? (And do not say "Because that is how it was intended." That's just the decision; that's not a reason)

      I think it's a handicap of the show- we only get to see what Steven sees, and if we need to see, for instance, a plot-relevant scene on Homeworld, or the inner struggle of Malachite, we need to force Steven into these situations in an unnatural way. it limits the characters we get to see.

      Want an episode showing Connie's home/school life? Want to see what she's like without Steven around, how she interacts with others (or, in turn, is afraid to interact with others without Steven's confidence to give her that extra push?) We can't do that in SU- not without a flashback or Steven body-snatching a kid.

      Want to see how Yellow Diamond is coping with the failures of her troops? Again, we can't see this without Steven seeing this. any human interactions you wanna see? Of COURSE Steven's gonna go hang out with them, even if it's something he's just not into (Like Horror Club). Pearl, Amethyst, and Garnet need to go search for som